Do we have confirmation that Girah actually exists and is not an identity fabricated by DIH to perpetrate scams so that he can pay back his massive treadmill prop bet losses?

dont apologize for anything sgt, you've done fantastic in organizing this chaos

no, i think sauce's statement was pretty clear, "x" should be ground breaking. Sauce obviously knows what time it is by reading these threads and he knows that anything short of groundbreaking is going to stick his neck in this too.

This mess has been walking like a duck for a while and I expect to hear some quacking.

Please read his (Kjemmy) last 2 to 3 posts in the previous thread. Where he is going out of his way to 'vouch' (yea its an ugly word now) for DIH and JM assertions that they can no longer get in contact with Jose ? Unless you are drinking the koolaid, it makes no sense for anyone to continue to vouch for DIH/JM at this juncture.

i think they call you that. BA is a great player which takes the time to post on 2+2 and you nitpick his post? What value did your post have? His post was valid, and worst case scenario is also valid. if i were any of the guys involved/suffering from this. I wouldnt have played that computer(used for teamview) until it had been thoroughly searched. he said it was a 1% chance, what more do you want. (ps dont reply, dont wanna derail thread with this)

just saying that spyware whever stuff isnt that far fetched.

As entertaining as this theory is, he's been seen in enough videos, and spoken to enough people on Skype, that there is almost zero possibility that there isn't a Girah out there somewhere.

Whether or not he's just a random kid with this story hanging off of him, a midstakes player who either decided to run this con or was recruited to be the face of this con by HS regs, or what, is still being debated, but I think it's safe to say that somewhere in Portugal there's a real human behind the Girah front.

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Interesting and yes, possible, but it doesn't fit in the framework of the scam imo. As I said, if he had this capability he wouldn't have needed to beg his would be opponents into letting him sweat them. Given the information available so far, it's just nigh on impossible that this is something he was doing. This is quite a sophisticated scam, whereas girah has already been exposed doing the muzzy science version of the same thing, which is the equivalent of someone having the keys to the back door but instead choosing to break it down with a sledge hammer.

Lest we be accused of burning our witches prematurely:

It (sadly) does not look too good for Jungleman right now, but I'll say this:

This chip-dumping was done in such an obvious and half-assed manner, it's hard to believe any intelligent adult, especially a poker professional, would think he could get away with it.

We already know that Jose is capable of trying to get away with a ludicrous scam, so maybe it was all him.

However, it's basically been established that he didn't have the chops to win millions at online poker, so it does beg the question of where the money came from.

The most logical explanation is still Haseeb at this moment, imo.

We have on-camera interviews from Girah. Of course there is an off chance he is an actor.. :P

Im just curious to see if X contradicts anything Jungleman says in the Bluff interview.

lol looks like charles barkley

x = that DIH played euro through VPN

and lol at JM's publicist dumping chips to girah

Hi, Jose. Anything you'd like to add?

Haseeb characterized the stake Jose was under for the challenge as basically all 5/10 6m (he said he played a few hands of 25/50, but dropped down due to poor results). Jose was playing on this stake during the lock challenge.

Jose was 50k in makeup to jungle/Haseeb, and was still after the challenge.

additionally, how would Haseeb explain girahs win to jungle? Would he just give half the money he dumped over to jungle? Would jungle feel odd about this money being won from SamChauhaun, his poker mindset coach?

What the **** are you talking about? Vouch? I said none of us are able to get in touch with Jose. Stop nitpicking on every single comment. Jose's out of reach. That's the entire point of what I was saying.

I think the theory is that JMs mind coach (or an account with that persons name, probably not the actual guy) dumped chips. His publicist is the one that came into the thread and said that it was on her advice that he wasn't posting.

The who behind the chipdumping account Girah played HU in the Lock competition is still being hotly debated.

I just heard that the owners of *****************.blogspot.com were in cahoots with Girah, and that going to the website will infect your computer with spyware that will let Girah see your holecards!! Can anyone confirm? I heard it from a pretty reliable source: my mailman.

Oh, you mean the same way like townsend and his multi account scandals and townsend (once again, hard to believe, right?) and the dynamic ginger duo and their 3 way "study group sessions".

Yeah hard to believe that people who do something as extremely complex as balancing a range of cards..... could possibly be so dumb?

How the f can u read with that background. Owner of that site is ******ed

**** off

This is true, but who knows what the scam could have evolved into. For example, Jose could give his students "coaching software" that is secretly infected with a trojan which reveals their hole cards. He would no longer need to sweat his victims.

Thanks for the cliffs.