Was it ever discovered who OP's son was?

general cliffs?

I like your posts in general but give me a ****ing break with this idiotic cliched bull****. You couldn't name one person you've ever met in your ****ing life who works 80 hours a week. This would be five 16 hour, or six 13+ hour WORKDAYS. Total nonsense. Make your point, but without spewing stupid cliched nonsense. Hell, 50+ is a stretch for most people, and the range you provided is 60-80. Unless you know a boatload of NFL head coaches, this is silly.

This entire thread is worthless anyway unless we hear from the vast majority of "pros" who are actually full of it, and by that I mean ones who called themselves pro because they were 22 living at home with no job and no bills to pay who announced that they were "pro" because they deposited online and played for a few months. These people generally post a few times and then vanish, because in 99% of cases they bomb.

There's a big difference between worrying about money and being miserable in general. I'm sure the former applies to a lot of people making under 50k but certainly not the latter. Over half of Americans make under 50k; it seems very presumptuous of you to say they're all depressed. Money and happiness do significantly correlate with each other under 75k (I remember reading a similar article about that) but it's far from the only factor.

I'm a 25yo dropout and I make more than 60k...

Just because you don't get a formal education doesn't mean you can't get a good jerb

There are actually studies that have been done that says once you can attain food/shelter and the basic needs to survive, money and happiness stop correlating.

I know a banker who for a period of around one year worked 80 hours a week, which was typical among his coworkers. At one point he didn't take a day off for 2 months straight. This is often the case for bankers. It's not BS. They make great money but it often comes at a price of not having much of a life outside of work.

Do you have an example to offer other than one individual who knew several other individuals? There are 310 million people in the United States, I don't think you pointing out about twenty of them proves me wrong. I'm pretty sure I'm correct in stating that the vast majority of people come nowhere near working this many hours a week at any point.

i-banking work ridiculous hours, well-known

Sorry, plenty of people work 80+ hours a week. I know people who put in 90-110 a week.

In at 9, out at midnight or 1am.

Come into the real world.

Edit : ibankers or people who own their own business.

GL to your son. nice outlook op.

Please link these articles, especially in the united states. I would argue this is completely wrong.

What's funny is I was on your side in this thread, liked a lot of your posts, but take you sound like nothing but a total fool here. You've got some business telling me to "come into the real world" like I'm some 1/2 NL IPOD and hoodie clown 23 year old living with Mom. I've got a good job, my own home, a degree, and am getting married in a month and a half to a lovely woman who shares all of the above traits. I haven't gotten five cents from my parents in the last decade. I've been in the real world for quite awhile, pal.

My comments stand. Spare me. Unless you're applying an excessively liberal definition of "plenty", as in, a tiny percentage of the population, no, "plenty" of people don't work 80+ hours a week. I doubt you know anyone who, over the long term, works 9am-1am. Lovely of you and the poster before you, though, to cherry pick and name "i-banking" and "owning your own business" as examples, as if these are jobs that the vast majorty of people have. Maybe it's you who should enter the real world.

I don't care if you did or do agree with me. That doesn't mean anything. I'm commenting on your statement, which is wrong.

You're exact words were "You couldn't name one person you've ever met in your ****ing life who works 80 hours a week. This would be five 16 hour, or six 13+ hour WORKDAYS."

You said there aren't any people who work these hours. I argued differently. If you would have said "most people don't work 80 hours a week" I would agree. That's not what you said.

There are people who work 80+ hours a week. I know my parents did, I know I have at times, and I know people who I am close friends with who do right now. 9-10pm, go in on weekends, and only a hedge fund accountant for Goldman, not an investment banker. I know investment bankers who work more.

I know lawyers who work close to 80 hours a week average, and definately do some/multiple weeks a year.

Now, do you want to admit you're wrong, or do you want to keep going back and changing what you said, or what you thought you said?

The % of people who work 80+ hours weekly is infinitesimal. Pretty simple. The vast majority of people do not know someone who works anywhere near this much. Also pretty simple. The guy I fired off my mini-rant at hasn't answered that I was incorrect as far as who he knew that worked such hours. You however jumped in with yet another snobbish, nose-in-the-air response, which was completely and utterly wrong as far as condescendingly telling me to "enter the real world".

I'm not wrong at all by any means. The fact that you claim to know several such people? Awesome for you. I'm sure you know many more that don't. I don't know anyone who does.

Listen, you can keep lying to yourself if you want, it matters little to me. The fact is that most people who make decent salaries work a lot of hours. There's a reason for it. Most people who make over 100k work 50+ hours a week. Most people who make 150k+ work much more than that. Most people who make 300k+ work tons and tons of hours, 80+ easily.

Ask yourself a serious question : how many people do you know that make over 150k that work less than 50 hours a week that don't own their own business or have someone managing their businesses? None. If so, please name their professions because I'll look into doing it.

Your opinion of me matters little. I'm not snobbish, I just don't have time for people's crap. You want to make things up and pretend like you know what's going on, then fine, lie to yourself and be happy. You want to discuss things that are factual, then do it If not, stop wasting everyone's time with incorrect statements, it's annoying.

I'm not making incorrect statements by any means. I'm sure there are plenty of people who work "a lot of hours". This rarely translates to 80, or the absurd figure of "90-110" which you fired off.

But, hey, you're entitled to your opinion, and for all I know, maybe you do know a number of people who put in that many hours. I don't, but that's me, we're different people. I personally feel bad that I'm contributing to hijacking this thread talking about quantities of work hours when it's pretty irrelevant to the subject. I apologize to others here who want to have a fair discussion about parenting and poker, we should get back to that and move on.

I work construction and 80+ work weeks is the norm. Most of us are from out of town so we take all the overtime. 7 12's I'm a foreman so I work seven days thirteen hours a day. Weekends friday included are doubletime so it's worth it. Only way I know how to try and get ahead.

More power to you, sounds like great money, and if you can handle it, good deal!

I guess a lot of people don't know many people that do work 80+ hours a week as it doesn't give them much time for socialising after. Plus I'm not too sure but I would also guess that a lot of people perhaps slip in their commute time when saying how much they 'work' a week.

Two people say they know people who work 80+ hours and you berate us like we're two idiots. Construction dude comes in the thread and says the same thing and you pat him on the back.

I must simply be crazy.

No disrespect. You're work ethic is commendable but it sounds like a pretty crap existence unless you love your work

2Outs is one of the most unpleasant posters on 2+2, many others have noticed too, e.g. in the 'US grinders - what are they doing now' thread where he patronises online poker players who find themselves without many options post Black Friday to make himself feel better about being a businessman. Stick him on ignore.

i worked 80+ hour weeks for about 4 yrs and made 22k per yr #gradschool

I love have you claim these are "FACTS" because you read a statistic. Those are averages, mostly because a few of the geniuses got jobs that paid 150,000 right out of school, the rest got 30K and it averages.

I remember when I was an undergraduate and they claimed the average starting salary was $45K for my major, now it says average is 55K. I don't know one person of my whole class that got a job that paid 45K. I barely know anyone who got a job in their major.

I have friends who have Economics degrees that are landscapers now because it was so hard to find a job.

Don't believe everything you read on google.

And to that person who say you need 4,800/month to live comfortably- I think that was a thinly veiled brag because if you think most American's spend almost 5K a month to live then your almost as out of touch as Mitt Romney.

If I ever told someone I spent 4,800/month they would look at me like I have a cocaine problem because that is ridiculous.