Thanks for sharing OP, it's good to hear some parents are open-minded, accepting, and proud.

He thinks in terms of EV, each buy-in though large shows a small positive expectation, and as long as he assesses his edge relative to the competition correctly and his bankroll can afford the normal swings, it's nothing to worry about

Probably true, i wonder what %

^ breaking news, most people that try to do something hard, requiring a lot of effort and discipline, fail through lack of ability or bad fortune

does it mean people shouldn't attempt it, no.

is pointing out obvious facts unproductive, yes.

The % market share Full Tilt had on April 14th 2011

Anyone mentioned the possibility that this is the sons 2p2 account and the dad just invaded his privacy logged on and clicked some favorites?

if your lookin for realistic response from parents, your not gonna get it here cause most parents dont know bout 22,
only reason you do is cause your son is a winner

I think you have that backwards.

Morphy

Ill go ahead and give a well reasoned response...

If the yr was 2004/5 and he was a focused, smart and realistic kid, id say awesome...good for him.

If it were post UIGEA, say 2008, and he knew/had great evidence of being able to make 6 figures a yr, id say it was a good idea for him to play until the games caught up to him.

In our BF world, a world where bankrolls can evaporate overnight with no recourse, a world where the main game is becoming slowly solved and less and less worth beating and where tournament vig is so out of control that fields are shrinking domestically and casual players are giving up the game at mid and higher stakes, id say you better hope he has a plan B.


Now if the kid is ok with the idea of playing live, not having insurance provided for him, being at the mercy of other people as far as when to play, and making 50k/yr or something, thats fine. If OTOH he thinks what he makes now, say X, is somehow indicative of what hell be making at Y time...then he is deluding himself.

This, for most, isnt a long term solution as far as career...its a temporary situation where you may or may not be able to make a living doing something you enjoy...and you take on costs by forgoing career development. Those costs WILL have reprecussions down the road...there will be a piper to pay and doors that simply wont be open to you in many cases.

As long as he understands that...so be it.

At first I was upset when my son told me he was going to be a professional escort, but then when I saw he was getting lots of money and didn't immediately contract ghonaherpasyphatitus I was proud. No longer do I think of him as some desperate degenerate hooker. Sometimes i have trouble comprehending the large sums of manjuice he deals with everyday, but I now know the difference between that and a professional escort now.

This is not true per se as the poker world has alot of business opportunities and wise lessons normal life wouldnt usually offer. I think a few years of playing proffesional poker is going to be more valuable then about any first few jobs in the world.

The problem is that when the poker "career" is done, you still have to go and get these 'first few jobs' ... most people look down upon poker. Try telling someone in an interview that you 'gamble' daily... most people wont be receptive of this since they have no understanding of the hard work and mental strain that goes into poker

There's also a lot of people in America who can't imagine someone subsisting in less than $62k a year, because they go through life spending more than they have no matter how much they make, and can't fathom that all of the superfluous luxuries that they're used to because their parents afforded them aren't actually necessary to live.

Way more? So $38.50 an hour playing poker would not be making a living at poker? That is not way more so I guess not?

The is about approximately exactly opposite of reality here on earth on 2012.

Of course im assuming the person is decently bright and puts equal amounts of effort into career development as he would have put into poker development....which is hard to sort of quantify, but whatever.

EDIT: 30 dollars an hr playing poker is definitely making a living, and for many people it might be the best option for them right now given the economy...what is/should be disconcerting isnt the rate but the direction of the rate which generally is going down for MOST players who arent jumping stakes.

Lol what?? Are you serious? If so, please elaborate

Ok now I know you must be joking. If not you sir are a clown

If the kid already plays high stakes and has a well established bankroll, and also plays a ton live, he's fine. It's the wankers who skipped school, want a family later, are still grinding the 5-20 buy ins making 1-5k a month trying to be a pro. Big difference (if it is LuckyChewy), who can easily get backed into the highest games, or already plays on his own, and wins/loses enough for 5 avg americans put together, etc, than the player i first mentioned. The ones who are laughable are the ones still aspiring to be great and passing up life spending sun up to down with nothing established.

The OP has been on this site for almost six years and his/her previous posts suggest someone who is most likely the parent of a friend of luckychewy, if not one of luckychewy's parents. OP isn't a troll. It's a shame this thread is going to be a clusterf***, because there is a legit issue being raised. We now return to our regular NVG programming . . .

I dont think its a clusterfk at all....I think its quite clear people on both sides have some good points, and furthermore, if you read my post at least, its quite clear there are no black and white answers for everyone.

Thats why I used words like most, generally...etc. etc. and not, every, all, only.

Look, if you are a top 100 player in the world its quite obvious to most people that unless you can go cure cancer or simply hate playing at this point, you should keep playing and you will- with even a modicum of discipline- be financially independent in short order....something 99% of parents would love for their children in their 20s.

I didnt think we needed to discuss that explicitly, but since it seems the OP might be the father of an elite elite player...there you go NVG.

I am an amateur poker player and even played semi-professionally/professionally for a number of years when the games were a lot softer. I understand 100% what it takes to be a professional poker player, and admit I wouldn't have been able to do it for the last 4 years probably.

That being said, it would take a lot (and probably be impossible) for me to hire someone who took a few years off after college to play poker and was just trying to come back into the work force.

In my mind there would be just too much of a risk such a person still played recreationally and their job performance would suffer due to some of the baggage that goes along with the gambling lifestyle that I understand very well (ie no appreciation for hourly wage, staying up too late chasing losses, mood swings based on how bankroll is doing, losing interest in work and possibly deciding to quit if doing very well at the tables, etc.)

If anything, I think it actually would work in the poker players favor the general public is not very aware of the average poker players lifestyle, because although they may underestimate the skill/discipline involved, they probably also do not understand all the baggage someone who was/is immersed in such a lifestyle carries around.

Andrew Lichtenberger's earliest posted stats are from 2007.
http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-play...-lichtenberger

Aqalung has 17 posts that concern or name luckychewy Lichtenberger.

Andrew Lichtenberger's home town is East Northport, NY.
http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-play...-lichtenberger

Aqalung mentioned listenting to a radio station from NY.
so ...

Dad left a trail of breadcrumbs.

When you play $20knl tables live the fish you're playing are worth millions. If you play with them for a few months and get friendly with them as an equal you can make contacts etc. It's not difficult too understand.

If durrrr all or a sudden went broke he has contacts with people like guy laiberte and tons of other wealthy people who respect him and are friendly with him. He could pull strings and get a 200k a year finance job im sure.

If you mix in wealthy circles you meet powerful and influencial people and if you become friends with them you become one of them.