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Originally Posted by capone0
It's really silly to compare live and online. ...........
I can't imagine, as mentioned earlier that strats that work live also work online and applying them online is just going to fail.
I don't necessarily disagree with some of what you're saying in this post but the fact that we have so many thousands of posts and threads on 2p2 discussing and analysing rake in online poker clearly highlights the fundamental flaws in the (online) game and I suggest that it goes back to a more simplistic view of what poker is about.
Like I said in a previous post the fact that online poker is so marginal and sensitive to minuscule rake increases just demonstrates the flaws in transferring the game of poker to an online platform.
Yes online poker works to some degree as a model and has so more successfully in the past but the fact that the game is so open to and overrun by technical interventions and sensitivities amongst other things just illustrates what a flawed model it really is.
This is why you need to look more closely at the live game for clues as to how to create a sustainable model because live poker has so much room to move before issues such as rake even become a factor.
Online poker (and all the external interventions associated with it) is vastly complex, live poker is the opposite. It is a simple game that is open and transparent where rake barely even rates a mention despite the fact that the live game is raked so much more heavily than the online game.
You can talk all you like about the problems with scripting, huds, rake, security etc killing the online game but in my opinion the main problem is far more simplistic and live poker highlights it clearly.
At the most basic level the excitement of poker comes from winning big pots. There's not much more to it. You sit there, you pick up a hand, the stars align and you stack somebody. Poker doesn't get much more exciting than this. In a live game this might happen once or twice in a 6 hour session, might not even happen at all......but this is a good thing, not a bad thing because poker needs to be slow and boring to create a highly profitable environment. Fish need to be sitting there for hours hoping their moment will come and they need to be sitting there with a 50% VPIP to create that profitable environment. You want to be going to showdown in multi-way pots with 5x opens like you do live, not grinding out 3bb pots that don't even see a flop.
People will say 'oh I'd go insane if I had to play 30 hands/hr online' but unless you're prepared to do so then enjoy the environment in which you find yourself.
I 24-tabled for years online. I know what it's like playing 1500 hands an hour. I can remember closing out sessions one table at a time, getting down to 12 tables left and just shutting them all down at once because it was just so mind-numbingly slow by that stage.
It's a simple concept, some might even see it as naive, but I firmly believe you need to look closely at the impact of what the speed of the game does to profitability and sustainability for a clue as to how the game needs to shift................and live poker has those clues.