Solid troll. I liked it.

If I got my AA all-in a bunch of times against some dudes 27o I guess it won't matter if he wins one. I mean, he is only stacking a small portion of my chip stack. Rinse and repeat long enough and even the riches mofo will go broke.

In real life, several people may call. They'll laugh at each other as they turn over their rags. They'll roar when your AA is cracked on the turn, and again when someone else runner-runners the nuts. It's a party. Enjoy yourself.
oh.. wait.. You're not rebuying? gg dude. see you later then.

Geez man, it's well past time to back away from the keyboard. Your logic, as usual, is terrible. So many posts of yours I was going to rebut; eventually there were just too many to bother with.

The funny thing is, there actually are a couple of EV advantages for the player who can rebuy, but of course you haven't (at least not that I've seen) hit upon them yet.

If there is a big expense (both in travel and time) involved in getting to a tournament, being able to rebuy is definitely +EV. You're entering more tournaments for the same expense. And if you're +EV overall, then being able to enter multiple consecutive tournaments will mean a higher hourly return.

But neither of those factors affects the EV of the player that can't rebuy.

The only way re-entries hurt players who can't afford it is if:

1. More of the re-entries are made by +EV players than -EV players (factoring in how much they're +/-EV, of course); and
2. They don't play so sub-optimally as to cancel out their skill advantage.

And of course if they're all shoving in with 72o, there's no way condition 2 will be met.

So yes, there are very specific conditions under which this could hurt the less skilled players that won't rebuy, but not because the better players are being given some special advantage.

hey there bobo..
Rebuying is somewhat different than entering another tournament. Just off the top of my head, there's a smaller (maybe much smaller) field, and fewer weak players when you rebuy, and you (should) have gained knowledge about how your opponents play... and vice versa .... Chips are not evenly distributed..

On that note, I was browsing MMTc Live and noticed the Bike has a $160 entry mega millions where you can leapfrog over everyone and buy into the money (roughly $700 guaranteed) for $5,000 dollars before Day 2.. Your stack is 40BB.

Can that be a good deal?

is there some way a mod can look up IPs n see whos gimmick joe is? he deserves a custom undertitle as GOAT troll. hes earned it.

Exactly what I do. I don't play them. I sure hope all tournaments in the future don't become rebuy tourneys...but I think they will because it feeds the gamble inside new comers and degens. = More $$ for the casinos.

This. Unless you live in an apartment adjacent to the casino and have no travel/food expenses then each bullet you fire spreads out the overhead and each bullet actually becomes relatively cheaper.

And re-entering is almost exactly the same as playing the same tournament twice. There is no major difference between someone re-entering in level 4 and someone who just woke up and is buying in for the first time in level 4. All the arguments that the annoying guy said make no sense besides the reads thing and even that is stupid b/c your extremely unlikely to get the same table again. Trust me, no one is re-entering and thinking "well at least I have reads now".

Also, the argument about it not being "fair" literally wants to make me puke. Poker is NOT fair, LIFE is not fair. If you don't think the poker rules are fair, don't play the freaking tournament.

If you think people having more money then you, and using that money to their advantage is "not fair" then your living in the wrong country/world bro and your setting yourself up for some serious mental anguish b/c there are many things in life that won't seem fair to you that you just have to deal with.

I think chip smuggling and collusion is a legit problem. Say someone gets busted and palms a few big chips before the dealer takes his stack and then gives those chips to his buddy to use the next day, it could happen and probably has happened. Successful scammers are good at what the do and with no one counting the chips those running the tournament would have no way of enforcing this, even if there was a count at the end of the day someone could slip their buddy chips during break.

Collusion is always an issue in poker games and I've seen many people giving each other signals or even moving their chips in a way to give info.

Cheating are going to keep cheating till they get caught, we can only hope the tournament directors look out for honest players.

I dont have a problem with the re-entry but what do I know, i'm struggling to get ahead at the micro tables....

I'm a devout capitalist, but there are places where money should not be a determining factor, like in any fair and honest competition.
The fastest man in the world is not the chubby billionaire who paid extra so he could start from mid-track. That whole race would be a joke. What's the point of it?

I understand the reason casinos like the rebuy... someone else just pointed it out... but I don't understand why a poker player with any interest in the integrity of the game would allow someone to purchase an advantage in a tournament.
If it really doesn't bother you, then you won't mind some rich guy paying extra to be dealt 6 cards instead of two, and you would insist he was the best player on that day, when he wins it.

Everyone has the same opportunity to rebuy, it's fair and honest. Just like there's 100$ tournaments and tneres 5k tournaments tneres 100$ rebuys and 5k rebuys. If Your a capitalist then you realize this. You also realize If tneres a demand for 5k non rebuys someone will do it. Lets let the market decide if people like rebuys or not. Tne part about chip smiggling I understand but this completely changed the dynamic in tne second day 1. Ontop of the rebuy you have people who already have survived and may just gable it up with 1 or2 entries to build a Stack. Tnat day is gonna have some serious action

I get you.. It's like the illegal drug trade.. the addicts determine the street price of the drug. The guy who needs it for medicine just pays the price and shuts up.

"Everyone has the same opportunity to rebuy..."
kinda like everyone has the same opportunity to be an NBA star..

Don't play in tournaments you can't afford, plain and simple. If you can't afford to buy in multiple times, maybe a rebuy tournament is not the right choice.

It makes no sense whatsoever to get rid of a tournament format just because some people can afford it and others can't.

What about the WSOP ME? There are tons of people out there, some of whom would even be +EV in the event, that don't play because they don't have the money.

That means we should either get rid of the tournament or make it a freeroll (first place: $25 Starbucks gift card), right? Any other solution is just unfair.

I honestly can't tell if your being serious or not. If your just trolling me, good job. If your being serious then it is probably not worth arguing with you. If you can't see the difference between re-entry and paying for a 6th card then you probably aren't intelligent enough to understand the answer if I tried to explain the difference.

Also, no intelligent, poker savy, person thinks the winner of a tournament was the best player that day. So I'm not sure why you even brought that up.

You sort of answered your own question.

Why are you harping on the cost aspect and ignoring the unfairness of personal wealth affecting an honest competition?

TDs do everything they can to make sure all players are bound by the same rules, treated the same way, held to the same standards with total impartiality.

Casinos say "Turnout wasn't so good last time, so we'd prefer you run rebuys and get more money from them. It improves the take by about 40%."
The TD can't say squat... he does as he is told.

I think what you're forgetting is that a lot of people see a poker tournament differently than it appears that you do. For many (most?) people, it's about trying to make money. Allowing rebuys doesn't appear to have a demonstrably clear effect on a player's chances to win money in the long run, so most players don't have a problem with them. For people who regularly play, rebuys save them money.

You're focused on your chances to win the tournament, which obviously are diminished with every extra entry. In that case, of course you aren't going to like rebuys if you aren't willing or able to rebuy yourself. You certainly aren't the only one, and that's a factor that needs to be considered when putting tournaments together. If a poker room were to schedule nothing but rebuys, they may end up chasing off a lot of recreational players.

One place where I think your school of thought should possibly prevail is with any tournament that purports to be some kind of championship; where the win itself is considered to be prestigious. How should WSOP rebuy bracelets be considered? Although that doesn't seem like as big a deal when there are other non-open bracelet anyway (women's and employee's events).

But those analogies....ugh. Just stop.

hehe... well.. The perfect analogy has yet to be invented. Mine might be a bit pointed but they are valid to the degree they are intended.

You're right about my motivations. A poker tournament is among the last places I'd seriously expect to make any money, and rebuys or not, my attitude is the same. Perhaps if they gave extra points for good looks, I might change my mind...

But I'm not focused on winning. How the number of "entries" affects my chances is not my concern. I play to exercise my poker skills, have fun, etc, etc, and maybe cash if I'm running good. That's all I can reasonably expect.

Rebuys change the game.
You can't tell how someone will play later by their earlier, rebuy period play. So, whatever effort is expended in learning your opponents tendencies and quirks is squandered. All-in is often meaningless. Betting 10, 30, 50% of a visible stack means nothing when some unknown part of the stack may be hidden in their pocket.

I'm not crying the blues. I've cashed and won my share and know how to play them. But the rebuy period is a waste of my time. It benefits the House and nobody else. The wealth advantage factor is just another straw on the camel's back.

guy is so yached up

There is no reason this thinking shouldn't apply just as much to a non-rebuy tournament.

Say we have a $10,000 entry tournament.

Player A is a super wealthy businessman who doesn't care about making money at all. As a result, he plays sharp, aggressive poker, not letting the thought of getting knocked out bother him at all.

Player B is Tom Dwan, who is getting paid to show up at the tournament in the first place and is more interested in the open faced Chinese game upstairs for $100,000 a point. He's shoving all in every other hand because quite frankly he doesn't even want to be playing.

Player C got in on a satellite using his last $80 and the mob is going to kill him next week if he can't win the money to pay them back. He's scared as balls every time he's in a pot.

Player D is the greatest poker player in the history of the world, but he makes so much money doing other stuff that he doesn't even bother to play.

Player E is a sharp online pro who crushes every single day, but his life expenses keep him pinned down so much he can't even get the money to play the tournament.

Each players situation and personal wealth massively impacts how they play in the tournament, to the point where it's probably the single most important factor on their play in these cases.

That's just not fair, right? Because "the unfairness of personal wealth is affecting the competition?"

Sorry bro, you want something (a truly equal field unaffected by the buy in or prize structure) that doesn't exist, rebuy tournament or not.

Of course rebuys change the game. That's the entire damn point of having rebuys. It changes the strategy. This is going to blow your mind, but there are also kinds of poker that change the strategy by giving all the players two extra cards, or giving players their own board instead of community cards, or forcing you to hold your hand face up on your forehead. There are variants where you can only buy in once, or only twice, or add chips in the middle, or rebuy as much as you want. There are tournaments for millions of dollars, or for wal mart gift cards, and everywhere in between. All this stuff changes strategy, and each has its own charm and plays differently than the others.

You'll like some of these variants more than others. A format you hate might be someone else's favorite. That's okay. You can choose the ones you want to play in. No one is going to water board you if you choose not to go to one particular tournament.

Is the difference in the way "rich" v "poor" players (i.e. Those to whom multiple entries mean nothing v the one bullet guys) play during the rebuy period really any different than the same difference when playing near the cash bubble?

If making a min cash is financially important to a player, then he obviously won't play the same as a guy who needs to make the final table before the money means anything to him, and to whom the difference between a min cash and no cash is zero. Seems to me it's the same with a reentry. So I don't see how reentries are unfair unless you would say bubble play is unfair

The only variation even remotely similar to a rebuy is a cash session... and that's where I am when a rebuy is happening.

Sigh. **** me.

LOL.

suffer..

next time be nice to people.

Dudes just jacked up on poker. He loves the game.