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Michael Borovetz, I believe he tried to scam me at McCarran Airport 6-22-14 Michael Borovetz, I believe he tried to scam me at McCarran Airport 6-22-14

06-25-2014 , 09:14 PM
Don't wait until the end of the WSOP to reevaluate your life. You are living in the worst possible city for your addiction. Get out of Vegas, move back home with family members, and seek out gambling addiction clincs. Make sure to also ban yourself from all casinos for life. If you need help with this, PM me and if its possible I will spend some time calling casinos to ban you, on your behalf.
06-25-2014 , 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by afwoods
What if you have a subscription?
Subscription to what, High Times?
06-25-2014 , 09:20 PM
I saw a thread about this on another forum and just joined here to comment on it. IMO, Mike is in all probability a sociopath. Everything he says points to it. He has no respect for the law, for friends or family, or himself. He's been scamming his entire adult life and is scamming even now, telling us his story.

Sociopaths always have an agenda, are always using people to get what they want. I'm sure Mike has a plan on how to use what he's posting here. He's very intelligent, as most sociopaths are. They think they're smarter than everybody else. That's why he kept walking away, violating the court orders. In his mind, they can't tell him what to do, so it takes being locked up in a real prison before it finally dawns on him that his actions have consequences.

I have no doubt he will keep scamming until he is put away for a lengthy stretch in prison. That's what usually happens, prisons are chock full of people just like him.
06-25-2014 , 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Mullet Man
I am a recovering alcoholic for several years and I have heard his story many times before from people with many different addictions. People can give him whatever advice they like but Mike has to finally admit he can't overcome this addiction on his own. Going to GA and getting a sponsor would be a good start but he HAS TO WANT TO QUIT. Just stop for today Mike. Get thru the first 24 hours and if you can see if you can go another 24 hours. Definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again thinking a different result will happen. It won't. You are never too old to start over again. I did in my 30's and so can you.
This is some of the best advice in the thread, you should take it Mike.

Unfortunately, I don't see any other way that you fix your gambling problems than listening to MM, other than perhaps a judge throwing you in prison for 3-6 years where you can finally have the time to face your demons. That latter route doesn't sound like the best way to go, for a variety of reasons, so hopefully you just take things seriously and summon the willpower to stop gambling. There are many support groups.

If you do decide to keep gambling, at least get a job to support your habit. Basically stealing money from suckers is so terrible. You could at least buy waters and sell them on the strip for $1 a piece at like 75% margins. Perhaps the hard work will make you value some things in life, the money, etc. and get you to stop gambling too. When you just ask people for handouts and gamble with it, it's just too easy to remain in this terrible hole.
06-25-2014 , 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by afwoods
What if you have a subscription?
Think you mean "prescription"
06-25-2014 , 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Dragonball
This irrelevant discourse on why Pai Gow Poker is a -EV game is illustrative of the problem Mr. Borovetz faces. It is also common knowledge.

That you can limit yourself to +EV gambling games (and, by all accounts, have rigorously dedicated most of your waking hours to pursuing them) does not make you any less of an addict than Mr. Borovetz, just a less self-destructive one. You have have the discipline to turn your addiction into a sustainable lifestyle. He is blatantly incapable of this. Your advice to him is worthless.

You're an enabler of his behavior if you tell this guy "Pai Gow is bad, learn to gamble like me." Regrettably, the same goes for Mike Sica. The idea that Mr. Borovetz's problems will be solved if he is taken under the wing of a professional gambler who can teach him the virtues of +EV gambling and money management is ludicrous. A true friend would advise this man to seek help from whatever support system he has left outside the realm of gambling, to seek help from professional counselors, and to live a life as far removed from casinos as possible.
The most intelligent post in this thread
06-25-2014 , 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by mojojo16
DMake sure to also ban yourself from all casinos for life. If you need help with this, PM me and if its possible I will spend some time calling casinos to ban you, on your behalf.
I don't see how banning himself would do any good. If he wants to gamble he will find a way to do it banned or not. The bad part about being banned is they usually only care when you are winning. At least if he's not banned he can keep whatever winnings he makes. He needs to fix himself and not hide from things in the real world.

On a side note do you really think you are going to be able to call casinos on behalf of this guy and have him banned? Lol
06-25-2014 , 09:38 PM
I'd love to see mike run up another roll and post in bbv's degen stories thread after he hits a 100k 7-card royal flush playing pai gow. Lots of degens on here that would love to here some of your pai gow stories/strat. Keep swinging for the fences, big hitter!
06-25-2014 , 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by PSUMike1999
I don't have much money anyways to play a whole lot of events as 5k is really not that much down here in Vegas during the WSOP. Right now for the next week or two I will not quit gambling but maybe after the WSOP is over I will take a long hard look at everything and try and decide on a next step. Maybe that book thing might not be a bad idea. I have tons of other stories that happened to me that I didn't have the energy or space to write about.

By the way, won $70,000 at Borgata in January from $1500 playing paigow and gave all that back too. Allen saw me with a bunch of 5k chips that I obviously didn't value whatsoever. $70,000 would be huge to have right now for me, just another in a long list of scores playing a -ev game in which I promptly gave back.
That you consider $70k 'huge' to have right now seems bizarre to me having just read all your posts. What would you do with it? Is it not just another couple of hours in the casino?
06-25-2014 , 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
People who con others all the time do not always do it for money. Part of the thrill of the con is getting the attention/recognition as well when money is not likely going to be had.

You may think you are telling the truth, but you have so many years of conning others that at this point you are likely a victim of your own con, and believe everything you are saying to be true even if it is not.

I believe you are likely a degen, and your story is a fairly common one for a degen. It amuses me a bit, but it does not surprise me, and I do not care how much of it is actually true because I regard it for what it is - a mild source of temporary entertainment for me, and nothing more.

You will not get much money from people in this thread, but you can sure milk them for attention/sympathy/anger, and you will find that may give you a similar rush as gambling. That is not really what interests me so I will likely not be posting again here, though I may read it later to see how many are being dragged along the drama con.



Not so much. That story has been done many times over and over. Again, watch Trailer Park Boys on youtube to see a more comical version of it.

If you write a book, go for the e-book variety and self publish and make sure that many of the people here praying for you come and give support on your comeback. Monetize them later if you cannot now! Be sure to leave yourself some time to hit the airports.

All the best.
Regardless of where anyone stands on the authenticity of Mikes story you come across as a complete prick FWIW
06-25-2014 , 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Pot Odds RAC
Wow.

To those of you who think you have to point out that Mike is a degenerate, good for you. Feel better now? I think he and everyone else realizes that. If you've never been in a situation where willpower alone wasn't enough. Again, good for you. But assuming you know all there is to know about depression and addiction to the point of no empathy says as much about you as it does about Mike.

Clearly even now Mike is delusional about his problem. He still believes in the myth of "one big score". The $5k is either already gone or soon to be gone. If he ever does manage to go on a run, it is the worst, not best thing that could happen to him. Any score will just result in another round of his proven cycle and reinforce the compulsion.

I'd urge Mike to leave Vegas now. Try and forget that poker exists even though it is currently his only skill. And go "home" and try and build some sort of life, even if that begins with working a couple of crap jobs 80 hours a week.

Yeah, you've blown your shot at a "legitimate" job. Actions have consequences. But you still aren't ready to accept your consequences. Even the most soul bearing admissions of 15 years pissed away doesn't mean you've decided to accept responsibility. You seem to think that there is still an option where you continue to scrape up a stake and score and all is well. Sadly you are likely going to go thru several more cycles. Perhaps wind up incarcerated yet again before you finally bottom out.
Well said
06-25-2014 , 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by HelloFriends
Mike, sorry for calling you a POS earlier.

Gamboling is very similar to alcoholism. When I read that you rule out quitting because it's the series right now, it reminds me of my father who would never ever plan to quit drinking right before x-mas or any other major holiday. He'd always say it's "impossible", so he would just postpone it. Of course it didn't work and he still drinks to this day.

I don't think you are anywhere near the point where you want out. You're just buying some time. I really sympathize with you tho, it sucks to be like this. Hope you turn things around in your life dude. You don't deserve to degrade yourself like this.
Agreed
06-25-2014 , 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Cabezon
I love all the armchair psychologists in this thread.

As far as i'm concerned, the fact that twenty people can read this story without any sympathy at all is a much more damning indictment of the poker community than the one guy who ended up scamming people and going to jail because of his addiction.
Yep
06-25-2014 , 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by beaverslayer
Think you mean "prescription"
What if once a month a guy delivers a diferent kind of weed to my house?
06-25-2014 , 09:59 PM
If excommunication from your family, countless nights of of homelessness, and a year in prison isn't rock bottom yet, what would be? I'm not sure he has one.
06-25-2014 , 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Janice7776
this POS PSUMike wrote me a pm while the above thread was happening and saying some racist **** about "that's how we do it in this country"


HEY PSU MIKE??? IS THAT HOW YOU DO IN THIS COUNTRY??? I WOULDNT KNOW, IM JUST A POOR ASS SAND ****** PLAYING MICRO STAKES, BUT ATLEAST I DONT LOOK LIKE A ****EN PIZZA
+1

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Originally Posted by UCBananaboy
When did beggars start begging for more than a few dollars? Damn
the times are changing
06-25-2014 , 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by afwoods
What if once a month a guy delivers a diferent kind of weed to my house?
Which one? Your regular house or your house on the oil rig?
06-25-2014 , 10:05 PM
Idk why so many people are putting effort in with solid advice. I for one agree this story is prob much more simple and just a basic con/degen with some level of intellect. I don't see any desire in him to want to get better. Anyone out in Vegas see him at the tables over last 48 hours?
06-25-2014 , 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by beaverslayer
Which one? Your regular house or your house on the oil rig?
I'm trying to be funny. OK, seriously, if they drug test you and you have an RX, what happens then?
06-25-2014 , 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by sqwerty12
Regardless of where anyone stands on the authenticity of Mikes story you come across as a complete prick FWIW
The best way to put someone like me in my place is by demonstrating your true moral superiority through spending a lot of time and effort trying to help this troubled gentleman. Let us know how that goes.

You have disdain for those without sympathy for his plight. Fair enough as you are entitled to those beliefs, but let's see you put some actions behind those beliefs instead of just words, otherwise you are doing the very thing you find distasteful in others, and you certainly do not want to be a hypocrite in that way. What exactly are you going to do to help the situation? You are in Vegas now based on your WSOP thread. He is in Vegas now (perhaps at the airports). You are in a position to do him some real good, so find him and get to it and update the thread with your progress. Do that and I will be the first to congratulate you for actually doing something, even if I do not agree with it.

All the best.
06-25-2014 , 10:09 PM
I would like to see Mike address the huge wave of people saying he's a scumbag to the dealers, players, and staff at poker tournaments. He seems to gladly talk about his degen stories with a sick pride, but it's time to man up about being a scumbag to the dealers if that's the case.
06-25-2014 , 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Big Larry
I don't know why you don't take the 5k and just play 2-5. If you are decent at poker and don't start off running below EV at least you will have a shot at running up a roll. Check into Budget suites for like $250 per week, eat cereal for breakfast and comped casino food for other meals and grind 2-5 all day.

Its a better idea than playing Pai-Gow.

Larry
Using a $5k roll to play 2/5 is degenerate gambling. Sure, it is less degen than what PSUMike does now but it is still just gambling. Also, it is not clear based on his tournament results that he would be a winning player at 2/5. (he may or may not be).

Anyways, PSUMike has shown no sign of wanting to change. Why would he grind poker when he can just make the same amount of money at the airport without a risk of ruin?

Someone asked why he didn't just put himself into high stakes poker games instead of going to the pits and I don't know if he will answer that but I'm assuming it's the same reason most degens go to the pits. You can make more money and make it faster at the pits. If he were to buy in at a poker table he's not just going to go all in every hand because he's not an idiot. However, he can essentially do that in the pits (albeit, I know nothing about pai gow).
06-25-2014 , 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by bpb
And what steps has this guy taken to do anything about his addiction? Anything? Anything at all? Doesn't seem like it. But he deserves sympathy why? For what reason?
The fact that he's so catastrophically addicted is one if the reasons he hasn't done anything. I don't think he's asking for sympathy anyway.
06-25-2014 , 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by afwoods
I'm trying to be funny. OK, seriously, if they drug test you and you have an RX, what happens then?
Good question. I'm not sure, but a script might put one in the clear to work on the rig and smoke. The Rig Actually seem likes a good option for psumike. However, I have feeling mike would go crazy, jump off oil-rig and attempt a swim to nearest casino boat while taking side action bets on how fast he can make the swim.
06-25-2014 , 10:24 PM
I've seen this guy at Borgata. Lol he wouldn't last one day on an oil rig. Not to mention he can make more scamming good people at airports anyway

There is literally a 0% chance this guy ever turns his life around. Wake up everybody

      
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