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01-17-2013 , 04:54 PM
It would take a lot of commitment, patience and solid play for most of those play money regs to build their rolls up to play at those levels.

I guess if you are 15 years of age, fanatical about poker and don't have anyone who can set you up a real money account to play illegally, that is where you are going to end up playing.

I bet there are some very talented players at that level, who may well become big names in 4 or 5 years time. Just because the stakes are not real money, it doesn't mean you can't play the game well.

In a way, it's kind of insulting for them to be used as a shooting gallery in a donkfest like this, by Stars. It would be interesting to see how the entrants to this rather silly tournament got on, trying to grind against these guys for several hours.

Stars should do more to showcase the top play money players. Some real stars of the future could be amongst them and I wouldn't be surprised if the very best are doing a few things that haven't been seen before.

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01-17-2013 , 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Freefalling
Totally false. I didn't even get screwed over that bad because I played in the last group of five. But I made this thread because there are others who got really screwed over.
Ya, there are prob 5-10 people who played this challenge early in the week and never even heard about groups of 5 playing it. And the main reason there aren't more complaints from the guys who played it a bunch of times is that most of them lost or won tons of $ this trip and 3-8k doesn't feel like as much as it should
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01-17-2013 , 05:13 PM
Whether or not it was a failure, I hope this at least does not discourage them from experimenting with new structures in the future.
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01-17-2013 , 05:24 PM
Move up to where they don't respect your raises

Shame on you drunk 1k a flip nerds taking grandmas hard earned play money
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01-17-2013 , 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by poguemahone1
Move up to where they don't respect your raises

Shame on you drunk 1k a flip nerds taking grandmas hard earned play money
One unlucky spot you would run in to was the play money players using all of their time bank (and a chunk of your 12 mins) to call you an idiot donk for shoving 40k play money chips utg at 100/200.

I gave some lucky grandma a huge play money stack when she limped button behind two limpers with AA.

Last edited by Apathy; 01-17-2013 at 05:34 PM. Reason: trapped
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01-17-2013 , 06:40 PM
Hi folks -
Just so everybody knows: Timex, Andrew Chen and I had a long hallway talk about this situation at the PCA on Monday. I thought it was a productive and intelligent conversation (they're welcome to give their comments about it).

We are discussing the situation internally and I promised Mike and Andrew that I would get back to them, no matter what we decided.

Regards, Lee
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01-17-2013 , 07:18 PM
What a ridiculous tournament.
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01-17-2013 , 07:26 PM
Ya I def feel like I lit $2k on fire
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01-17-2013 , 07:29 PM
What is the other forum this was posted on?
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01-17-2013 , 07:30 PM
lol play money nits
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01-17-2013 , 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by orb_dam_u
lol play money nits
27% vpip at full ring, son... Confirmed nits in the nosebleed zoom games... If you want some of my 4 million+ play chips, you have to earn them
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01-17-2013 , 07:50 PM
lol at the organizers not caring how unfair it is.

I know if Lee was sitting there he wouldn't have allowed such stuff to go down. Not everyone is as smart unfortunately.
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01-17-2013 , 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Bigoldnit
27% vpip at full ring, son... Confirmed nits in the nosebleed zoom games... If you want some of my 4 million+ play chips, you have to earn them
....or pay me (and some of my buddies) to dump you chips next year so you can win this great tournament
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01-17-2013 , 08:53 PM
how did nobody have someone dump all their play money to them while playing? u guys gotta learn to cheat better
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01-17-2013 , 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by e1cnr
....or pay me (and some of my buddies) to dump you chips next year so you can win this great tournament
Lol at you thinking that someone who openly admits to having a play money BR is going to be firing off in 1K tourneys at the PCA, but I admire your attempted hustle, sir.
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01-17-2013 , 09:08 PM

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01-17-2013 , 09:27 PM
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01-18-2013 , 03:48 AM
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Originally Posted by sirswish6
how did nobody have someone dump all their play money to them while playing? u guys gotta learn to cheat better
Apparently nosebleed play money players aren't as well connected as it may seem.
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01-18-2013 , 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by qihu00
Apparently nosebleed play money players aren't as well connected as it may seem.
you can just by the chips off the internet

wow i can't believe nobody got a friend with 1M chips to dump it to them
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01-18-2013 , 11:22 AM
I am all about innovation in tourneys...but at 1K buy in...this would seem to be a pretty big snafu.

You have the multiplayer issue...you have the chip dumping/collusion issue (at no cost to the colluder for the chips)

I just hope Stars puts more thought into it when they try something new again.
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01-18-2013 , 01:25 PM
Pokerstars should do the right thing here and refund all solo entries. I feel the brand is doing everything right, so this is indeed a rare mistake by them. For the record, I did not play the event. Things like this happen when you run an event for the first time. It's definitely a great concept.
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01-18-2013 , 03:28 PM
There are all sorts of ways you could innovate. Have a half-pot limit HM tournament or whatever. This idea is kind of bizarre. Think it would be obvious there would be all sorts of problems. They post there tentative WCOOP schedule on 2+2 sometimes. Think it would have been good to post this or had it reviewed by some internal committee or whatever. Also, most of the people who played this, what were they thinking?
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01-18-2013 , 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Bigoldnit
27% vpip at full ring, son... Confirmed nits in the nosebleed zoom games... If you want some of my 4 million+ play chips, you have to earn them
#HUDSINPLAYMONEY
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01-18-2013 , 04:09 PM
Wow, my friend just linked me to this thread. My story: I was hanging out in the players lounge the 2nd to last day of the competition after busting another tourney really early and I was watching a couple people play the zoom challenge and they were pretty awful strategically and the event only had something like 21 entries with a 50k guarantee. I thought I could do better and the value of a likely overlay was enough for me to give it a shot. I ran well and played a great strategy to take over the #1 spot on my 1st try with 86.4k I can absolutely agree with the OP in that they were INCREDIBLY nitty. The hardest part of the whole competition was to get people to gamble or get in large pots with any sort of equity. I was having to do things like raise 4-5bb's or get in 97o against a 4 bettor just because none of my open shoves were getting called. I go in the next morning and see that Mike Mcdonald had surpassed me as well as a couple other people which was disappointing but I was told they were paying 7 spots so I figured eh I'll probably get 5k or so out of it which would really help to save an awful trip. I played online all day Sunday and didn't hear anything about it, I go to the players lounge on Monday, it was all cleared out, I talked to a stars representative that said all the winners had been contacted and I was pretty baffled at how I could not have at least cashed, but I had to accept it. I couldn't find the results anywhere online so I had her email the guy that ran the event to find out where I finished and I got this.

Hi Maria and Dylan,

I have attached the top 10 finishing places (including chipstacks) to this email for your reference.

I regret to inform you that unfortunately you were the bubble in this event, finishing with 86,417 chips.

Should you have any further questions, or feedback, please do not hesitate in getting back in touch.

We hope you enjoyed the PCA, and thank you for playing the Zoom Challenge

David Williams 1st 175353 $20,650
Mohsin Charania 2nd 162517 $12,980
Tom Lutz 3rd 135643 $7,670
Elliot Smith 4th 126264 $5,605
Marvin Rettenmaier5th 123173 $4,130
Jeffrey Gross 6th 98588 $2,950
Mike McDonald 7th 91455 $2,655

^^^^All of those top 7, that's right, ALL of those top 7 happened on the last day of the competition, and notice how some are double or more what the top scores of the first half of the field were, what a weird coincidence

So naturally when I saw this thread and heard about what happened the last day it all makes sense now. I'm absolutely livid about this, I can't believe the people running this could be so blind as not to see such a HUGE and obvious edge they were giving the people going in groups the last day. I feel totally robbed, not just of a 1025$ buy-in but a solid 2-13k cash (What would be my only of the entire PCA), I legitimately played it solo, had a hard time building pots and got lucky to finish with the stack I did. I'm so mad about this, they even had the nerve to try to sweep this under the rug after they knew they messed up. If Stars doesn't do something substantial, they're going to lose a mighty lucrative customer here, I'm one of the few suckers that played their gimicky side event in the first place.....

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01-18-2013 , 04:19 PM
lol you're not going to quit playing on pokerstars if you really are a "lucrative" customer
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