Uh we'll let you know when we're ready.

He got on my wrong side by talking politics at the table.. I forget if it was PAD or HSP..
You may think you're hot stuff being on TV, but spare us the non-poker related opinions.

This, plus the fact that player's money disappeared, while he was able to receive distributions.

Merry Christmas Howard

**** howard lederer.. he's a terrible businessman. That much has been explained..

People don't hate Howard. They despise him. The people who have been directly affected by his dirty work hate him and, therefore, people follow that lead on hating him even if they don't know why. Do they need to know why? I'm sure it probably helps his bottom line when he plays live because some random tiltfish who doesn't know what he did but knows to hate him decides to "stand up" to him and ends up losing big from time to time. Being a freak and a very weird dude is hard work, isn't it Howard?

i dont give a **** about the subject. team hansen all day son

I wasnt really expecting Gus tο defend Howard

was there any outcome from the investigation of Diamond Flush??

Mainly I just think he's too tall.

Im combusted fwiw

I personally have never liked Howard Lederer, and don't think he is very good poker player (based on what I saw of his many TV appearances over the years as player and commentator). However, regarding Black Friday, once the US Department of Justice got involved and there were criminal charges being threatened, I can guarantee you that Lederer was told (correctly) by his attorney to not discuss the FTP scandal with anyone until the case was settled. So because of that I don't think he has been able to defend himself in the media and to the public.

Also, there is a big difference between fraud and incompetence. Lederer clearly acted incompetently in his role with FTP (along with others), but no one has proven that Lederer committed fraud. I would find it very hard to believe that feds would let him off the hook with regards to criminal charges (which they apparently have) if Lederer had in fact knowingly committed fraud.

Every single person who lives in the US and played for money on FTP (and other sites) violated US laws regarding illegal gambling, money laundering, and wire fraud (along with the online sites). Are all these players willing to admit to their crimes?

As far as I know, everyone who had a cash balance at FTP will be paid back. Daniel Negreanu seems to suggest that this will happen only due to the generosity of the firm he represents (Poker Stars) that has since purchased FTP. But I find it hard to believe that Poker Stars would do that if there really was any substantial amount of player's funds permanently missing at FTP.

If anyone is interested in what Doyle Brunson thinks about this, read this:
http://www.pokernewsdaily.com/editor...r-world-21266/

Playing Wii is political? wtf are you talking about

jeeze.. people are so uptight when it comes to HL..

Since I further stated "I forget if it was PAD or HSP.. why would I also post that vid? The vid was an example of conversations these people have on TV.. nothing more.

the palm reader in me sees a short lifeline for this thread.. so much angst..

You are full of ****. Do you even know what wire fraud is? Do you know what the legal definition of money laundering is? online players were not legally at fault, GTFO

When US players transferred money to the poker sites via their credit cards or bank accounts (with fake charges that showed up on their statements as something other than what was purchased) those players were in violation of US laws regarding money laundering and wire fraud. There have been laws for a long time against such money transfers being used for offshore gambling.

I am not saying that the online players were at fault for the fact that FTP player balances were not held in a secure trust account, but the players violated other laws as mentioned above.

Really? You seem to be well versed in the subtleties and nuances of banking laws, please enlighten me and answer these questions.

1. What statute EXACTLY were they violating?
2. Also how are the consumers committing a criminal act when a merchant uses a different billing name then the website?
3 .Strip clubs do the same thing is the consumer committing a crime in this instance also?

I look forward to learning something today in NVG

I think the hate is mostly because of the things he did and said.

Not sure this is commendable. My impression is that he gives zero ****s about the poker community

should take cash to the strip club, using your CC is a fish move.

This
and hate Gus for trying to defend Howard

from what i remember of the lederer files, Gus was the only one who really cared for the players. when Lederer (self-acknowledged it) was trying to get off the hook for like 500k or something, he mentioned that Gus was the only one who realized Lederer was getting off the hook and called him out for it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUpBkcY5jM8 2:00 on Gus calling out howard

I would stand in line to **** on his grave

Now I"m really confused. I 1st hated Howard bcause of Negreanu
and Mercier. However, now that we've heard from Lord Gus, I just
don't know what to think.

Or perhaps LG should worry more about the 3.5m he's stuck with the new FTP,
instead of making stupid tweets. Reminds me of the old saying, "keep your
mouth shut and let people think your stupid, instead of opening it and proving
them right"

Maybe Howard called in a debt in order for LG to commit such a blunder. I thought one of the reasons FTP took on LG was because he kept his mouth shut.
Very funny.

poor guy, my heart bleeds.

i am ignited op!