How you don't use KOTH lobby for hu is beyond me...

rb grinders don't table select much, so now they will have better acces to recs, while playing the same volume

obv, there's incoming reward system change, that will most likely hit rb grinders as well

+1

what other way is there to interpret it? When I was a rec I had no idea how my rewards program worked, all I knew is I got some money back and thats it. I guarantee 90% of recs don't go around thinking about how beneficial their rewards program really is. FTP is out to maximize profits, who can blame em.. thats just what companies do but don't try and cover for them and make it seem as if theyre making these rakeback changes to benefit the players

lol where are you getting your statistics? I'm a semi-rb grinder (if that makes any sense) and also have a pretty solid wr yet I still table select quite a bit, I want to maximize my profits as does every other rb grinder.

in regards to the whole rewards program thing it just comes down to this, If ftp is saving money with their new rewards program as opposed to the current one it has nothing to do with the interests of their players

It's obvious that changes that benefit the players will also benefit FT, so saying that they are either doing one or the other, and definitely not both, is rather silly, DUCY?

What if I told you that if players had more fun playing poker they would play more and sometimes invite their friends to play?

What if I also told you that the more people play poker on FT, the more money FT makes.

Would you get it then?

Yea obviously, I don't disagree with that but if their new rewards program saves them money from the moment that they implement it believe me it has nothing to do with the players. Do you really think a recreational player is gonna be like OMG I get a 4% increase in rakeback yippee. If they're just trying to get rid of the regs then gg full tilt, gg

In the opinion of the guy that works for Full Tilt it's going to be really cool. Imagine that?

yea like seriously bjsmith whose side are you on. Just think logically, what recreational player goes around looking for the best rewards program majority of them don't even realize how much rb theyre getting

lol @ 'think logically'

Why does it matter if the recs notice that they have more money? They have MORE MONEY than if the rewards weren't increased. The benefits do not come from recs noticing the extra dollars, they come from the recs HAVING the extra dollars.

get a clue lol

well, if you have a decent winrate and you're tableselecting, you're not really a rb grinder, you just play a lot of hands. Rb grinders usually don't have time to tableselect, as they need to put in huge volume to get a desired reward level.

you're probably the same guy who clicks on those ads that say "congrats 1millionth visitor"... some guys will believe anything companies/corporations tell them smh

well yea if youre talking about those 24 tabling nitbags then youre right but I rarely see anyone playing more than 12 tables on ftp

lol please explain how recreational players having more money is a bad thing.

I can't believe it took this long for any site to get rid of hu. Unless you have a huge player pool it just kills the higher stakes action with a million idiots sitting alone. I can remember when stars and ftp added hu cash, the lobby took a turn for the worse both times. HU cash should prolly be killed altogether imo.

with say a 4% rb increase for the average rec (just off the top of my head), if that player plays about 1 hour a day on average how much more money is he going to have in the long run that will increase his loyalty to the site as opposed to a reg who plays 8 hours per day. Amaya knows that all the regs that leave ftp now will probably go to stars anyway so they just don't care, youre fooling yourself if you think the rb changes are done with the players in mind

That's a fair point, but with a 182,519% rb increase for the average rec (just off the top of my head), if that player plays about 1,004 minutes a fortnight on average he'll have lots of more money in the long run.

This pulling numbers out of your bumhole game is fun. Your turn!

The fact that you believe sites value regs more than recreational players shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the industry.

I know that they don't value regs over recs, but they do value the balance. And in regards to the numbers I pulled out of my bumhole I'm guessing they won't be too far off from the actually numbers... prop bet?

I am a 'Player Ambassador' - trust me I don't get paid anywhere near enough to shill. My income from FT is tiny in comparison to my poker earnings. I'm a player and my job is to represent the interests of all players, it's something I take very seriously, in time I hope that those who don't already know what I stand for will see that but I understand your skepticism when I am wearing a patch.

on a personal note (feel free not to answer), but do you personally play on ftp?

If you're plan was to kill full tilt poker then this update is good.

He does

This isn't obvious at all.

Finally a site getting rid of that pathetic big ego format hu cash. Shouldve happend 5 years earlier but at least step into teh right direction 👌👍

When FTP's marketing slogan was "Play with the Professionals", I read it as "Come and lose all your money against people that that are better than you", so I didn't make an account.

If the new policy translates to "Play with other recreational players instead of 24-tabling pros, and maybe you'll actually have some fun", I'll make an account.

Cross-posting from the other topic.

If that's the problem I don't see why you can't keep the heads up tables, but make it more difficult/inconvienent for new players to play on them.

E.g. a new account can't play heads up for the first 3 months. Or maybe he has to send an e-mail expressing his desire to play it and it takes a week to get it.

Like someone said to just drop heads up tables without even TRYING to implement any suggestions is just inexcusable. From a business standpoint I understand it's profitable, but then again eliminating any format where edges are big will be.

'Poker economy' in this sense is an obvious euphemism for site revenue. Player segregation + anonymous tables + banning HUDs would be 'great for the poker economy'.

I understand that the poker landscape is changing and sacrifices will have to be made, but to eliminate formats without warning, without even establishing a dialogue is showing the company doesn't really care about its customers anymore.