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08-13-2015 , 06:13 PM
$6 per 100ftps is 200% rb?
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08-13-2015 , 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by sparky999

It's basically a reward fro providing extra liquidity to pools with low numbers, so if you're happy to play multiple games/formats/stake levels you could just move around to max your rewards.
Very good idea imo.

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Originally Posted by Sect7G
The increase in rake was to pay for these changes which will lead to more rec players or so we were told. Without effective marketing I don't see how the problem will fix itself as getting old players/new players to even open/download the client seems like a tough task for FT at the moment.
I think we all agree that has to happen asap.
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08-13-2015 , 06:33 PM
what did you mean by providing extra liquidity to pools with low numbers?
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08-13-2015 , 06:51 PM
There's going to be an "E" indicator next to low traffic games that offer additional rakeback.
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08-13-2015 , 08:15 PM
The new rewards system sounds great to me! It is nice that players who don't play for very high stakes or a ton of volume get rewarded too.
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08-13-2015 , 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Play4Keeps
what did you mean by providing extra liquidity to pools with low numbers?
In theory, players will be attracted by the additional rakeback on the "special" tables. Those kind of promos usually have some success in the short-term at least. (e.g. "Fixed Limit week", or the Zoom promos or Milestone hands on Stars). "Liquidity" is basically a synonym of "traffic".
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08-13-2015 , 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Aces123123
The new rewards system sounds great to me! It is nice that players who don't play for very high stakes or a ton of volume get rewarded too.
+1
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08-13-2015 , 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by sparky999
It's basically a reward fro providing extra liquidity to pools with low numbers, so if you're happy to play multiple games/formats/stake levels you could just move around to max your rewards.
This is a really cool idea.

By forcing profit-maximizing players to play many different games and therefore likely lowering their overall edge, it ensures that reg's edges don't grow as close to the maximum as they have in the recent past - while still providing what seems like good rewards for high volume.

It's sort of reminiscent of the old days of poker.
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08-14-2015 , 01:36 AM
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Originally Posted by madlex
There's going to be an "E" indicator next to low traffic games that offer additional rakeback.
so... are all games going to receive extra rakeback?
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08-14-2015 , 04:36 AM
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Originally Posted by krakrakra
so... are all games going to receive extra rakeback?
top kek
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08-14-2015 , 04:56 AM
I like promos like Gold Rush and Stars milestone hands where there is that gamble / chance of a 5-6 figure payday so the jackpot game could be interesting.

Adding more money to freerolls tho is a probably waste.
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08-14-2015 , 05:20 AM
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Originally Posted by bjsmith22
This is a really cool idea.

By forcing profit-maximizing players to play many different games and therefore likely lowering their overall edge, it ensures that reg's edges don't grow as close to the maximum as they have in the recent past - while still providing what seems like good rewards for high volume.

It's sort of reminiscent of the old days of poker.
Thanks it's a formalised version of something I suggested to FT at the start of the year.
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08-14-2015 , 05:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Play4Keeps
$6 per 100ftps is 200% rb?
No - it's 60% for most people depends where you live though for example in UK you earn FTP at a slower rate because of the POC tax.
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08-14-2015 , 05:24 AM
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Originally Posted by krakrakra
so... are all games going to receive extra rakeback?
No - only games with low numbers in the pool. So Micro stakes 6-max will rarely if ever get a boost.

Things like 200nl Rush will get it frequently or 50nl full ring games just for a couple of examples.
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08-14-2015 , 05:30 AM
Sparky,

Does FT have any plans to revamp their satellite program?
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08-14-2015 , 05:37 AM
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"Liquidity" is basically a synonym of "traffic".
o kk thanks, I was only familiar with the traditional use of the word liquidity which is why I didn't fully understand

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Originally Posted by sparky999
No - it's 60% for most people depends where you live though for example in UK you earn FTP at a slower rate because of the POC tax.
oh okay nvm I get it, so if you get $2.40 per 100 ftps +$6 per 100 ftps thats 84% rb right? or would they no longer pay the original rb and only the $6?
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08-14-2015 , 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Play4Keeps
o kk thanks, I was only familiar with the traditional use of the word liquidity which is why I didn't fully understand



oh okay nvm I get it, so if you get $2.40 per 100 ftps +$6 per 100 ftps thats 84% rb right? or would they no longer pay the original rb and only the $6?
It's a 200% boost so base is $2, a 100% boost takes it to $4 and a 200% boost takes it to $6.
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08-14-2015 , 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Sect7G
Sparky,

Does FT have any plans to revamp their satellite program?
I hope so, although I don't know of any specific plans right now
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08-16-2015 , 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Sect7G
When can we anticipate commercials on TV, adds in magazines etc?

I mean if Full Tilt thinks recreational players are just going to magically appear because the VIP scheme is more friendly then they are delusional.

The increase in rake was to pay for these changes which will lead to more rec players or so we were told. Without effective marketing I don't see how the problem will fix itself as getting old players/new players to even open/download the client seems like a tough task for FT at the moment.
+1
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08-16-2015 , 11:11 PM
I am a rec player but have not played for a while. Reason being is that it got stale, all regs use HUDs (which provide an unfair advantage I think) and Full Tilt removed the ‘Full Tilt Poker Academy’.

I have seen the changes but still don't think I will come back to poker. I sent my feedback to full tilt but thought I might share my thoughts here..

"I like the idea of having a recreational player reward system but it still feels lacklustre.
The idea of a ‘Fun’ reward system to me is to use the age old models most games have of ‘daily quests’. This was done in the full tilt poker academy to a degree where you would have challenges (although not daily) such as ‘win a pot by raising from the button in an uncontested pot 3 times in a row and achieve this 5 times’.
What this did is made me play differently than I normally would (very sub-optimal) but it would get my heart pumping making these plays and was rewarding when I completed the tasks and earned the academy points.
These challenges made playing fun, exciting and not boring. It stopped poker from becoming a grind. I came back each day to complete a new challenge. When a recreational player starts to feel that poker is a grind... they stop playing (like I did).
Regs would love if rec players were making such idiotic plays all the time to achieve quests such as ‘win a pot worth 10 big blinds 3 times in a session with 72 offsuit’... and rec players would love the fun challenge and excitement those challenges bring..

I currently play a lot of Hearthstone as it is just more fun and not the ‘grind’ poker turned into... but I am looking forward to hear more about ‘The Deal'. However I really wish something like daily challenges and a small reward system for completing them was implemented so that I can ENJOY playing again and not have it feel like work"
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08-17-2015 , 12:07 AM
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Originally Posted by cheehc
I am a rec player but have not played for a while. Reason being is that it got stale, all regs use HUDs (which provide an unfair advantage I think) and Full Tilt removed the ‘Full Tilt Poker Academy’.

I have seen the changes but still don't think I will come back to poker. I sent my feedback to full tilt but thought I might share my thoughts here..

"I like the idea of having a recreational player reward system but it still feels lacklustre.
The idea of a ‘Fun’ reward system to me is to use the age old models most games have of ‘daily quests’. This was done in the full tilt poker academy to a degree where you would have challenges (although not daily) such as ‘win a pot by raising from the button in an uncontested pot 3 times in a row and achieve this 5 times’.
What this did is made me play differently than I normally would (very sub-optimal) but it would get my heart pumping making these plays and was rewarding when I completed the tasks and earned the academy points.
These challenges made playing fun, exciting and not boring. It stopped poker from becoming a grind. I came back each day to complete a new challenge. When a recreational player starts to feel that poker is a grind... they stop playing (like I did).
Regs would love if rec players were making such idiotic plays all the time to achieve quests such as ‘win a pot worth 10 big blinds 3 times in a session with 72 offsuit’... and rec players would love the fun challenge and excitement those challenges bring..

I currently play a lot of Hearthstone as it is just more fun and not the ‘grind’ poker turned into... but I am looking forward to hear more about ‘The Deal'. However I really wish something like daily challenges and a small reward system for completing them was implemented so that I can ENJOY playing again and not have it feel like work"
i agree with what you've written and believe the challenges Full Tilt makes should help the recreational player improve.

Can you think of any ideas for challenges and whatnot that you would enjoy?
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08-17-2015 , 04:00 AM
@cheehc - Nice post, thanks for the feedback. I certainly agree with what you're saying.
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08-17-2015 , 04:43 AM
Unibet has something similar to that, points awarded for completing challenges, that contribute to rewards. It's by far the best way of giving rewards/rb to rec players and I agree it makes the games better/more fun.
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08-17-2015 , 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Syous
i agree with what you've written and believe the challenges Full Tilt makes should help the recreational player improve.

Can you think of any ideas for challenges and whatnot that you would enjoy?
I don't know about the 'helping the recreational players improve' angle... it sounds like a good idea but then again to 'improve' a recreational player means teaching them how to play almost game theory optimal or how to use a HUD these days. Both of which lead you to grindy way of playing poker and thinking purely of ROI instead of enjoyment from playing a game. Having a good ROI is great don't get me wrong but when you have to play poker in a boring/standard/consistant way to achieve it, I as a rec player get disinterested... it becomes a chore

I would think that the challenges would be aimed to promote fun/silly challenges to make you play differently, promote you playing different game types and formats and maybe placing high in tournaments.

Examples:
"win 5 pots in a row" - receive x Big blinds at the stakes played at.
"win 10 pots in a row" receive 3x Big blinds at the stakes played at.

"Play in a 6max Razz game for at least 100 hands" - receive x big blinds at the stakes played at
"Play in a 6max Razz game for at least 100 hands and have a profit of twice your buy-in" - receive x big blinds at the stakes played at"

"Reach the final table of a no-limit holdem tournament with at least 180 players" - receive X% back of your initial buy-in"

I would like more of the fun/silly challenges however as they are the ones that get the blood pumping by making you play like a complete donk but would make you feel awesome when you completed them. going all-in on the 10th pot just soo you could achieve your challenge would have me holding my breath and laugh when someone calls me with AA against my 10-3 offsuit...

Recreatinoal players would lose but we wouldn't mind as much if we had more fun by every once and a while completeing these fun challenges!
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08-19-2015 , 07:22 PM
Cashbackreward

Can someone tell me how and when I get this cashback and how I can track it?

Been playing some tables with 100% and 50% and the rakeback is certainly not added to my "next edge reward"
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