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FTP and GBT reach agreement FTP and GBT reach agreement

12-15-2011 , 03:13 PM
i hope they apply for license's,so we not waiting for that to happen for ages.

i bet that's not a 2 week job

good news finally
12-15-2011 , 03:15 PM
Oui, je t'aime Tapie!!

Thank you Diamond and Noah for all your work, you have been the most trustworthy source during all these months of darkness.
12-15-2011 , 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by robkey69
i hope they apply for license's,so we not waiting for that to happen for ages.

i bet that's not a 2 week job

good news finally

pretty please legalize...jobs suck!!!
12-15-2011 , 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by flammbo69
pretty please legalize...jobs suck!!!
only a matter of time you USA donks be back
12-15-2011 , 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by vamooose
Surely the DoJ will now be handling Mr Ferguson's claim?

(DoJ take ownership of FTP and therefore claim when forfeited, DoJ sell FTP whilst still assuming liability for the claim, DoJ use unique negotiation skills to ensure Ferguson claim is dropped)

That actually makes perfect sense, they just sever the assets... that would also explain why Tapie is moving forward so confidently.

Thanks
12-15-2011 , 03:22 PM
So does this mean that Full Tilt is gonna be back online soon? (for european players)
12-15-2011 , 03:22 PM
Step Closer Finally
12-15-2011 , 03:28 PM
i'll believe it when i see it.
12-15-2011 , 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by ZeeJustin
Possibly a stupid question but:

The latest Subject Poker article technically doesn't mention an agreement of sale of FTP to GBT.

Obviously it mentions asset transfers, so should I be assuming the sale agreement has been signed already?

I'm assuming the acquisition agreement from weeks ago basically locked FTP into a sale pending the GBT : DoJ agreement that has now already happened, therefore FTP signing the terms of sale was a foregone conclusion and didn't make an SP headline. Is that accurate?
You've got things a little mixed up. There is no direct sale between FTP and GBT. The intended transaction is this:

1) FTP forfeits its assets to DoJ.
2) DoJ sells those assets to GBT.

In other words, DOJ acts as a middleman. That's important legally and stuff.

The acquisition agreement from a few weeks ago was an agreement between DOJ and GBT effectively in which DOJ said that they would sell various FTP assets to GBT if it got them and GBT agreed to buy them. This is obviously a necessary step because it provides FTP's incentive to accept the forfeiture, DOJ's incentive to settle the civil complaint (with the companies, not the people, and not the criminal complaint), and GBT's incentive to keep dealing with all this crap. It also contains the very important division of the player liability between DOJ and GBT.

Today's agreement is between FTP and GBT. FTP is promising to forfeit its assets to DOJ and making various assurances to GBT about what those assets contain, etc etc. I've not read the agreement, so I don't quite know what GBT is promising. The really important thing here is that FTP's ownership has agreed to give up these assets. That's obviously huge.

The next step is basically for this stuff to, like, actually happen. As I understand it, that means somebody with authority to represent FTP showing up in a court room with various Assistant US Attorneys from SDNY and presenting the judge with documentation showing that FTP has agreed to forfeit its assets under whatever terms and the Assistant US Attorneys agreeing to it. Then, DOJ would presumably turn around and sell the assets to GBT. (Hopefully that two-step process will effectively be one step since it's all been laid out already, but who knows.)

One of the slow points here might be the fact that I think they need a judge and a courtroom, and those are notoriously difficult commodities to get on short notice, especially right before Christmas/New Years. GBT certainly wants it done ASAP, and I think that the other two parties are pretty frustrated with how long it's been taking as well, so hopefully they'll be able to do this quickly.


Then, of course, we've got GBT owning a defunct poker website without licensing and a huge player liability AND DOJ owning a huge player liability as well, and we go from there. I don't know if either party has worked out the logistics of repaying people, but both of them seem to be acting in good faith in that regard.

Last edited by NoahSD; 12-15-2011 at 03:41 PM.
12-15-2011 , 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by word1985
So let's assume that the best case scenario plays out and FTP is able to pay back US players. Do we have any assurance that our old account balances are still on file? I know some people have talked about collecting screenshots, etc. but I can't see that as being viable proof since Photoshop is so easy to use.

Are we just supposed to hope that in the huge cluster**** of accounting problems that they have our balances correctly on file?
There is no reason to believe that the data is not as it should be. Afaik, from BF on, no one ever said their balance showing online was not what it should have been. I can imagine that if you had outstanding echecks, that those amounts would be deducted, other than that, it should be fine.
Fwiw, a screenshot really isn't proof of anything.
12-15-2011 , 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by NexusWR
That should just be the beginning. FTP was just the vehicle for a crime to take place. Giving it up should be one punitive measure of many.

Confiscation of an asset that allowed you to defraud people is common, and common sense. I would expect much more in the form of punishment.

You are wrong with your assertion that the punishment you describe fits the crime.
Don't misunderstand me sir. Taking of the assets from the FTP companies is all that was available from the companies. This action has no effect on any other pending or future actions, on any other company, entity or individual.
12-15-2011 , 03:34 PM
noah does GBT get the funds that the doj as been taking off ftp1 over the years.
12-15-2011 , 03:35 PM
I asked Jeff Ifrah some days ago:

What happens with my withdrawals in limbo? Will the money be back in my account if Full Tilt relaunches?

His answer:

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Yes, the current deal with Tapie would require the money be in your account upon relaunch.
12-15-2011 , 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by robkey69
noah does GBT get the funds that the doj as been taking off ftp1 over the years.
Of course not.
12-15-2011 , 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by vamooose
Full Tilt is the parent company...what, if any, are the other claims against companies?

For example, are you suggesting that a civil claim could still be brought against Vantage Ltd, Orinic Limited etc by a US citizen?? I suspect you are referring to My West Nook but it should be made clear to players, US and ROW, that the terms DoJ have surrendered to include 'no lawsuits re US player funds against FTP group of Companies' if this is the case.

Suppose I may be nitpicking but there are US players who believe that if the DoJ terms aren't good enough, they'll sue FTP after GBT takes the helm

thanks
Technically FTP is just a brand, not really a company, although we refer to it that way. The forfeitures described encompass ALL the FTP related companies, including those you mentioned. GBT is not buying any of the FTP companies, directly or indirectly, only the assets previously owned by those companies, that will, by then, belong to the US govt.
12-15-2011 , 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by DiCanio
Lets say this deal gets throught and everyone gets paid, does this mean that the money howard/jesus/bitar etc get away with the money they still have?
The forfeitures referred to in this deal refer only to assets of the companies, not individuals.
12-15-2011 , 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by ZeeJustin
Possibly a stupid question but:

The latest Subject Poker article technically doesn't mention an agreement of sale of FTP to GBT.

Obviously it mentions asset transfers, so should I be assuming the sale agreement has been signed already?

I'm assuming the acquisition agreement from weeks ago basically locked FTP into a sale pending the GBT : DoJ agreement that has now already happened, therefore FTP signing the terms of sale was a foregone conclusion and didn't make an SP headline. Is that accurate?
Tecnically GBT is not buying anything from the FTP companies. The companies are forfeiting assets to the DOJ. There is an agreement in place, that GBT can purchase those assets from the US.
12-15-2011 , 03:43 PM
wow so nearly 430mill for full tilt poker, before costs of getting the show on the road.

nice GBT
12-15-2011 , 03:43 PM
would be so sick if we get paid on Christmas.
12-15-2011 , 03:44 PM
Thanks Noah.
12-15-2011 , 03:44 PM
I could not care less about Howard/Jesus/Bitar as long as I'm getting my money back.
12-15-2011 , 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by ZeeJustin
Thanks Noah.
I edited my post a billion times, so make sure you read the latest version.
12-15-2011 , 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by NoahSD
Of course not.
Noah what's the percentages of:

1 - Deal going through for a new FTP to restart?

2 - ROW players getting all their funds back?

3 - US players getting their deposits backs?

4 - US players getting their deposits AND winnings back?

Does Tiltware software still own the FTP software or is it now owned by the DOJ?
12-15-2011 , 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by roll on da table
i'll believe it when i see it.
+1 until I see some actual quotes from real people (DOJ, lawyers, anybody) or papers its S:P lol false hope.

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Originally Posted by Crystal ExtacY
would be so sick if we get paid on Christmas.
Delusion ITT. Your looking at a year IF this deal EVER happens.
12-15-2011 , 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Samdk77
I'm forever blowing bubbles,
Pretty bubbles in the air,
They fly so high,
nearly reach the sky,
Then like my dreams they fade and die.
Fortune's always hiding,
I've looked everywhere,
I'm forever blowing bubbles,Pretty bubbles in the air.
read thru the thead, still think my initial answer covers it....

      
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