Bat Masterson died of a heart attack at the age 67. After his days in the Old West, Bat went to New York City and became quite a famous sports writer. He didn't die from someone shooting him because of a poker game. Still a nice read and thanks for posting it.

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I never said that Bat Masterson died of gunshot. I have written, probably on this thread, that Bat was a writer in New York. I did read what Bat had written to write this thread. He is an excellent person to bring up in a talk of credibilty. This often happens that someone says I have written something EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE of what is right here in this thread.

I think Bat Masterson'a writing is very accurate about his bast pals, Luke Short, Wyatt Earp, and Doc Holliday, however he does not tell what a sleaze and sociopath Doc was. When writing of his own exploits, he lied, lots. Historians say that about him. He killed between one and twenty-two people. He was shot by a sore poker loser. I did not say he was killed. As in Accounts vary, some accounts say the man who shot Bat did so over a woman. He also shot and killed the woman. Bat got off a good shot and killed his assailent. He limped the rest of his life. A dime magazine said that Bat killed twenty-five men in gunfights after he had killed that one in self-defense. That was in Mobeetie. The first account I read said that was the only man he killed. I am guessing that Bat was one of the best poker players. He was arrested for running a crooked gambling game in New York. I wonder, and did not find if he and Wyatt, ever saw each other after 1900. Wyatt was in L.A., Bat was a famous writer in New York.

I loved reading Bat's account of the time he, Wyatt, and Doc came to Luke Short's rescue. He said that each came into town with a group of "desparate" men. Bat's writing and newspaper writing from that era wsa very colorful. I wrote he got shot. Later, I wrote about his writing. I did not mean he wrote after his death. Haters are very poor readers. Other folks who write about poker have given up on TwoPlusTwo which is known world-wide for the haters. I can handle them. I post on here while I am still reading. I am not sure, but I'd bet Bat never had a gunfight. Now haters, say something.
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Often adults are ashamed to enroll in a remedial reading program. However, if you do learn to read well, it will enrich your life. : heart::h eart:

Touche, you are correct that I misread. So I will apologize for that, but at least, I am not an ass. I did not insult you in anyway. But I guess being a jerk makes you feel better.

Bat was a gambler and lawman in some very tough places. He may have been in gunfights. My favorite story is that when he was in New York, he would buy old pistols at pawn shops, carve notches in them, and sell them as the guns used in fictional gunfights. He lied so much about his past, it is hard to tell what is true.

Often on the Internet, you will read that Bat Masterson was the model for Sky Masterson in Damon Runyon's stories. More often, you will read it was Titanic Thompson. Runyon followed Arnold Rothstein around. He asked Titanic Thompson if he could write about him, and Ty refused. Arnold Rothein was the model for Nathan Detroit in Guys and Dolls. It was he who dueled with Titanic on his proposition bets. This shows how once something false gets on the Internet it keeps going. That's the way it is with poker history and Benny Binion.,

You are right, and I owe you an apology. I am a no-limit player. I raise it on up there. A man called me a liar, and you jumped in with incorrect information about my writing. You called me a jerk for your error. Can you cite another mistake I made, real or imaginary? I am certain there are some, and I enjoy being corrected by TwoPlusTWo'ers.

I enjoy your yarns Mr. Hughes, even though I cringe at your tumbleweed writing style.

Where did you say you got that PhD? I didn't think the standards were THAT bad, back in the day. LOL!

I received a Ph.D. from Texas Tech University. I think many would tell you the it was harder back then. It sure was harder to get into. My writing style is done on purpose and will continue. We did not have the Internet or word processing. Just getting the dissertation right was really difficult. My writing style was different for academic writing. Duh!

The so called "hater" you refer to would be me. I am not a hater, I chose to debate you on whether or not Moss and Binion were "childhood friends" in Dallas. Census records showed that Binion (the son of a Texas horse trader) grew up and resided near Sherman Tx. until somewhere near the age of 17. And, that Binion was not a child on the streets of Dallas. You posted the words "childhood friends". You now have resorted (as usual) to name-calling. Because I debated you, I am now a "small-minded hater". You exaggerate for drama way too much. I am not a hater of you or anyone else, so don't flatter yourself.



No, this is not a blog. This is a forum owned by 2+2 where members can post, comment, express views and sometimes debate. Just because someone might not agree with you, does not make them a "hater". You are posting in a public forum, so you should not expect everyone to agree with you 100% of the time. Name-calling and attempts to humiliate those that differ with you is childish and immature. Oh, and don't bother to pull the "this guy thinks it's all about him" card out of your hat. That childish line is worn down to a nub. Have a nice day.

I was not calling you a jerk for pointing out my error. I was calling you a jerk for posting this:
I mean no one ever misreads anything. Still despite this post, I did enjoy reading your post on Famous Gamblers of the Old West.

How hugely can it matter that Benny and Johnny Moss met in Dallas as pap3er boys? Saying childhood friends should have read teenage friends I guess.

I have Johnny Moss' biography and Benny Binion's oral papers.They both say they met in Dallas as paper boys. I've seen a picture of Benny in a paperboy hat. Benny says he left home with his father at 10 or so. He says he was a hustler since age 9. It is Benny in his own words from UNLV that the child-like hater Omapa disagrees with not me. It is Johnny Moss's own words that the childish hater Omapa disagrees with, not me. As we went over and over and over and over, why would they lie about being paper boys???????

If someone tells the census bureau they live in Pilot Point, Texas, they do not promise to stay right there for ten years until the next census. Benny would have lied to them anyway. Can you possibly see how illogical, and yes, child like you are Omapa. You are the very example of a silly hater focused wrongly on some tiny thing. I cannot believe you can back with the paperboy bit.

Think about this, please, from a research perspective. I have Benny Binion's own words, what he said. I have Johnny Moss' own words, what he said. That's raw research material. To invest so much in doubting it makes Omapa child like. Why would they lie? Not me, them?

just ignore it all johnny and keep postin. bad grammar and all , I'll take any history and so will a lot of others.

So, I'm only twenty and waltz in Curly's big crap game only I'm not supposed to be there because Barney Stagner catches a small jolt in the penitenary for having a minor at his crap game but that don't make no never mind to a shiney shirt, new turnout, saddle blanket gambler like me 'cause I'm winning every time I squat with some real talent so I'm liable to shoot them out of the whole bankroll and I remember exactly what the stick man said, "If I say a hen dips snuff, you can look under her wing and you will find a can" and a little bit later, "New shooter coming out. He is highly recommended but not fully guaranteed."

Y'all would have corrected his grammar, and he'd of slapped you upside your peanut-size brain with barking iron.

We'uns talk this way on purpose where we won't be boring like some of y'all.

how old are u johnny? serious question

So, here is some 'ol boy already uses a fake name wants to know how old I am. He probably wants to go around poker rooms and pretend he is me.

I don't find your calling me a book burning Nazi very humerous especially when I was posting in support of one of your threads.

You were making a joke about your age and so was I.

Why would he want to do that?

I think your too much in love with yourself, + the self promotion is excessive.

It's humorous how Jimmy Hughes somehow manages to derail his own threads at an astonishing rate.

Sakland....You said there were inaccuracies in this thread. Were you just lyihg? If you will point them out, I will cite sources, provide new information, and do research. But your blanket accusation seems empty.

The best satire is when some folks don't get it. Satire is like an IQ test.

I think you missed it but Johnny's response was another attempt at humor.

You cannot blame Johnny for the self promotion as he is a gambler and an author.

Doc Holliday killed one man for grabbing poker chips, another for looking at the discards, and another over a five-dollar debt. In Georgia, black people were swimming in a part of the river that white people did not want them to. Doc fired a shotgun into a crowd of blacks, killing two, and injuring several. THat's when he had to leave for Texas. Fifty-five of America's best known actors have played this sociopath as a hero in movies.

All of the movies lie about the gunfight at the O.K. Corral. Doc Holliday and Ike Clanton had the feud that started it. Wyatt Earp, a pimp, and his pimp brothers came to Doc's aid. Ike ran away. Lots of people ended up being killed over this, both on that day, and in the killing by both sides after that day.

Recently discovered testimony from the coroner's inquest following the shootout at O.K. Corral has been published on the net. It paints an entirely different picture of the event than what is in the movies and books. Ike Clanton had a row the day before with Holiday, then stayed up all night playing poker with the Earps. That morning Virgil and Morgan Earp disarmed Clanton by force. Seems that Ike Clanton and Tom McLaury weren't armed at the beginning of the confrontation and both had bandaged head injuries from earlier confrontations with the Earps. The other two (Billy Clanton and Frank McLaury) were armed, as they had just arrived in town shortly before the Earps confronted the group in the alley behind the O.K. Corral.

Read it here.
http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/project...testimony.html

Last edited by Johnny Hughes; Today at 10:12 AM. Reason: He who lives by barking iron dies by barking iron. That's in the Bible.

Learn something new everyday. I never knew they had barking iron when the Bible was written.