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02-14-2012 , 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by bjsmith22
How old are you johnny?
Well, he wasn't nine at the time of the shoot-out as that would make him one-hundred forty years old now.
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02-14-2012 , 09:40 AM
Doc T, who attacks every thread and comment of mine, wants to make a big deal about a joke about how old I am. He has posted many times over a mispelled word.

Should I quit posting here on TwoPlusTwo???? That seems like the best thing to do. How would you feel? Would you continue to post here? Every thread derailed and attacked by ChaosReins and Doc T. Over and over and over. They want everything to be about them. They are anti everything I write. Their hatred for me is symptomatic. Duh! I am a humorist, and have been for decades. If I am to be attacked each and every day over single words or mispelling a word, it is not worth it anymore.



I am reading a book on Gamblers of the Old West and was going to post poker stories, and shoot-out stories but I just give up.

Last edited by Johnny Hughes; 02-14-2012 at 10:01 AM.
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02-14-2012 , 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Johnny Hughes
Doc T, who attacks every thread and comment of mine, wants to make a big deal about a joke about how old I am. He has posted many times over a mispelled word.

Should I quit posting here on TwoPlusTwo???? That seems like the best thing to do. How would you feel? Would you continue to post here? Every thread derailed and attacked by ChaosReins and Doc T. Over and over and over. They want everything to be about them. They are anti everything I write. Their hatred for me is symptomatic. Duh! I am a humorist, and have been for decades. If I am to be attacked each and every day over single words or mispelling a word, it is not worth it anymore.



I am reading a book on Gamblers of the Old West and was going to post poker stories, and shoot-out stories but I just give up.

If you are going to attack someone who was supporting a thread you started by calling him a book burning Nazi, then perhaps you should stop posting.

If people objectively examine the situation, they will see your claims about either one of us (Doc or myself) are not true.

I have over 1500 posts and only a minority are in response to you or even in a thread you started.

Last edited by ChaosReigns; 02-14-2012 at 10:47 AM. Reason: last sentence.
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02-14-2012 , 10:51 AM
Thought poker started in 2003 on espn and chris moneymaker was the first ever poker player
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02-14-2012 , 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Wall De Ripp
Thought poker started in 2003 on espn and chris moneymaker was the first ever poker player
You need some edumication.

Last edited by ChaosReigns; 02-14-2012 at 01:35 PM. Reason: sarcastic post requires sarcastic response
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02-14-2012 , 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Johnny Hughes
Wild Bill won poker pots by drawing his guns. Once when a cheater was stashing cards in his hat, Wild Bill drew barking iron and said the guy must play the cards in his hat.
Given that America's favourite handgun is now the Glock, you're gonna have to start writing about barking plastic.
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02-14-2012 , 01:56 PM
you should watch the HBO serie Deadwood Johnny. I think you might like it.

good serie of post. Doc Holiday is my favorite gambler. imagine if Doyle Brunson was like Doc holiday lol.
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02-14-2012 , 02:06 PM
Great thread.

This is what we need for the next poker boom, bring back alcoholic gamblers with lots of firepower. Sure to stir up some action. Nits don't want to play in those games.
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02-14-2012 , 02:27 PM
Post more good sir
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02-14-2012 , 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Johnny Hughes
Doc T, who attacks every thread and comment of mine, wants to make a big deal about a joke about how old I am. He has posted many times over a mispelled word.

Should I quit posting here on TwoPlusTwo???? That seems like the best thing to do. How would you feel? Would you continue to post here? Every thread derailed and attacked by ChaosReins and Doc T. Over and over and over. They want everything to be about them. They are anti everything I write. Their hatred for me is symptomatic. Duh! I am a humorist, and have been for decades. If I am to be attacked each and every day over single words or mispelling a word, it is not worth it anymore.



I am reading a book on Gamblers of the Old West and was going to post poker stories, and shoot-out stories but I just give up.
I don't think Wild Bill would approve of this.
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02-14-2012 , 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by leconnaisseur
you should watch the HBO serie Deadwood Johnny. I think you might like it.

good serie of post. Doc Holiday is my favorite gambler. imagine if Doyle Brunson was like Doc holiday lol.
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Originally Posted by bluefingin
Great thread.

This is what we need for the next poker boom, bring back alcoholic gamblers with lots of firepower. Sure to stir up some action. Nits don't want to play in those games.
Would liven up tv poker.

Imagine, Tonight we had a straight flush and a royal flush but both were beaten by six of a kind. Six shots from a .44, that is.

Last edited by ChaosReigns; 02-14-2012 at 03:36 PM.
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02-14-2012 , 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Blizzuff
I don't think Wild Bill would approve of this.
I would imagine Wild Bill would settle it with a pistol. But that would be stupid and Johnny is not that stupid.
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02-14-2012 , 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Johnny Hughes
Once Wild Bill Hickok showed a hand with three aces, a six, and a four and called a full house. When it was pointed out he did not have a full house, he pulled his six shooter and said that was his other six, and he took the pot.
Excellent
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02-14-2012 , 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by ChaosReigns
Would liven up tv poker.

Imagine, Tonight we had a straight flush and a royal flush but both were beaten by six of a kind. Six shots from a .44, that is.
it was iller when Bill said it.
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02-14-2012 , 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by ChaosReigns
You need some edumication.
Someone's DNA is missing its "sardonic" gene.
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02-14-2012 , 08:21 PM
In her autobiography Calamity Jane never says that she was married to Wild Bill. She did write this "While in El Paso, I met Mr. Clinton Burk, a native of
Texas, who I married in August 1885. As I thought I had travelled through life long enough alone and thought
it was about time to take a partner for the rest of my days. We remained in Texas leading a quiet home life
until 1889. On October 28th, 1887, I became the mother of a girl baby, the very image of its father, at least
that is what he said, but who has the temper of its mother."

You can download her book for free at manybooks.net
A very short and quick read.
Cheers Ray
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02-15-2012 , 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by leconnaisseur
you should watch the HBO serie Deadwood Johnny. I think you might like it.

If you've never seen it, you've got a moral duty to watch it. It's unarguably in the top 5 pieces of TV drama of the last 20 years, IMO.
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02-15-2012 , 07:12 PM
I was looking for a new TV show to watch, looks like Deadwood is next on the chopping block. So far Dexter is my fav.
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02-15-2012 , 09:08 PM
Love your stories. Ignore the nay-sayers...this is the internet.
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02-15-2012 , 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Johnny Hughes
Doc T, who attacks every thread and comment of mine, wants to make a big deal about a joke about how old I am. He has posted many times over a mispelled word.

Should I quit posting here on TwoPlusTwo???? That seems like the best thing to do. How would you feel? Would you continue to post here? Every thread derailed and attacked by ChaosReins and Doc T. Over and over and over. They want everything to be about them. They are anti everything I write. Their hatred for me is symptomatic. Duh! I am a humorist, and have been for decades. If I am to be attacked each and every day over single words or mispelling a word, it is not worth it anymore.



I am reading a book on Gamblers of the Old West and was going to post poker stories, and shoot-out stories but I just give up.
Can't you just mute them so you can't see their posts? Don't waste your time reading or responding to haters.
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02-16-2012 , 12:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Seven7s
Can't you just mute them so you can't see their posts? Don't waste your time reading or responding to haters.
He could, however that would not change the validity of some of their posts. As much as Johnny's threads are entertaining at times he quite simply spreads misinformation posing as fact. He claims to have sources to these 'facts' but time and time again fails to provide any references whatsoever which a legitimate 'journalist' or 'author' would do. And yes, he claims to be these two things.
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02-16-2012 , 01:35 AM
I don't mind Johnny's threads, my brother used to say, "don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see." I take threads like this with a grain of salt as everyone else should.
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02-17-2012 , 12:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Seven7s
I don't mind Johnny's threads, my brother used to say, "don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see." I take threads like this with a grain of salt as everyone else should.
+1
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02-17-2012 , 10:32 AM
Sakllad, whom I've never heard of, makes a good point about research. The bright young folks on this can do google search now and find things that may be true or not. This is a blog. No one else cites their sources. I have a Ph.D., have studied research methods, and know the rules for academic journals. Researching outlaws and poker often comes down to reading conflicting reports and deciding which sounds most accurate. I am striving for accuracy.

When I research someone, say Poker Alice, Will Bill Hickok, Wyatt Earp, Lottie Deno, I know that dime novels and their own credibility are a huge factor. My latest articles are sometimes based on interviews and email exchanges. Very credible are Doyle Brunson, Jack Binion, and Crandell Addington. Very credible, when talking about Titanic is his son, Tommy Thomas. Very credible, but exaggerated, somewhat embellished is Johnny Moss. You have to understand Texas and gambling slang to get it.

Some people I have written about are known for exaggeration, falsehoods, Minnesota Fats, Calamity Jane, Amarillo Slim. In magazine writing, I use the quick term, "Accounts vary." For example, Arnold Rothstein owed around half a million after the big poker game that led to his death, but "Accounts vary."

Titanic Thompson made up stories about meeting his own father, and then later admitted to his son they were false. My research is to write the son directly. In a future article, Tommy speaks for himself and wrote a couple of pages. Later, I'll ask his permission to put it here. It is great! Ty and Tommy played against each other a lot and both cheated when Ty was older. A new book on Ty is great to read, but I am more accurate.

Sak,ASK ABOUT WHAT YOU SEE AS INACCURACY, AND I WILL ANSWER AND TELL MY SOURCE. I'd bet, and lay 8 to 5, he cannot do that. I consider myself the best, most accurate, best educated, person researching and writing about poker history. The brilliant young people on here often provide me links or facts that inform my writing. I consider TwoPlusTwo BETTER than any magazine or radio show because of the collected wisdom and the youth, a big advantage. If I make a mistake, and I do, these brilliant young readers will catch it.



I do a literature review on each name, including google books, and Amazon search inside. Great ways to reaserch now are YouTube, Podcasts. In writing about mob history and Las Vegas, I loved these. Pod Casts are a source. A great, great place to start is TwoPlusTwo archives. I write the history of poker through the lives of some players to reveal the differences between the old days and the now. TwoPlusTwo is up on both. History books are often cheap used online and I have a big gambling library. I might go to Amazon or google books to find something when the book is laying on my desk. If they are not indexed, this works.

You'd be surprised how often links from TwoPlusTwo'ers inform my research. When I wrote about Johnny Moss vs. The Greek in 1949, I learned a ton right here on TwoPlusTwo.

Haters search through my work for a misspelled word or missed fact. One hater posted over and over that Johnny Moss and Benny Binion did not meet as paper boys in Dallas. They both said they did. There was a picture. This small-minded hater had seen a census that would mean that Benny never left home, because it listed a town he lived in before he left. We talked about that for days. I'll bet Skalad or whatever cannot name any facts that are wrong. Of course, there are facts repeated from history that are wrong.

My funniest stalkers, haters, make me a big part of their non-lives. A couple said I wasn't me, wasn't from Lubbock, made it all up. One issued death threats, posted on several sites, and was obsessed. Then later he said I was credible. Weird! This went on a couple of years!

If I research any one person, I might consult several books, wiki, and many Internet sources. Sometimes the falsehoods, such as Benny Binion's history, dominate the Internet. This MEANS that I am the only one in poker who has written accurately about Benny Binion, often from Texas and the Las Vegas newspaper. I also have my memory about being around Benny from 1960 on, and the stories of people who knew him.

I learn things on TwoPlusTwo. During this thread, I have realized I had two West Texas places confused. The big gamblers were at both Ft. Griffin over Abilene, and Mobettie up in the panhandle. A great source to fact check is the Handbook of Texas History. Here is a brief excerpt,

U.S. Highway 283 runs by the site about fifteen miles north of Albany in northern Shackelford County. The town, begun in the late 1860s, grew and quickly gained the reputation of a lawless frontier outpost that attracted such women as Lottie Deno and Mollie McCabe; lawmen Patrick F. Garrett, Doc Holiday, and Wyatt Earp; outlaws such as John Wesley Hardin; and men such as John Selman and John M. Larn, who lived on both sides of the law. By 1874 the lawlessness of the community had become so extreme that the commander of the fort placed the town under government control and forced a number of undesirable residents to leave;

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That's when the Comanches were run out of these parts, and these gamblers moved up to Mobettie. It is amazing that America's most famous gamblers./gunfighters were often in the same small boom towns.

Last edited by Johnny Hughes; 02-17-2012 at 10:56 AM. Reason: I had a misspelled word the haters would jump on like a duck on a June bug. It would eat up days of their lives.
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02-17-2012 , 10:36 AM
I am still reading and researching the main gamblers of the Old West. Do you want to read anymore about it or not????

Last edited by Johnny Hughes; 02-17-2012 at 10:37 AM. Reason: Delete off subject reference to barking iron.
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