What?

If for being and is want within but over because not just forever or can't there under was.

^^^Gets my vote for drunk post of the week..

Thanks for that, finally someone making sense ITT

1. Really, you think?
2. Yes: +1
has anyone ever been so far as to decide what to do more like?

He's been consistent on this from the start.

It's only wrong if they knew the money was dirty. AFAIK there is no proof that the likes of Lindgren and Harman knew that their dividends/salaries were tainted.

There is no double-standard here. He isn't calling out others who owe, he's calling out a group of people who, it appears, willingly and knowingly deceived the whole poker community.

Daniel's made it clear that just because he won't publicly out people who owe/are broke degens, it doesn't mean he won't let someone know, privately, that these people shouldn't be loaned money. I think that's all that can be expected from him.

He made it clear that loaning someone money and not being paid back is different from winning money from someone and not being paid.

By "old school" standards loans come first, but if you loan money to someone you do so knowing the risks (since degeneracy it appears was/is more widespread among old school gamblers).

Anyway, Lindgren wasn't loaned money by OP and his FL league losses are obviously gambling losses.

why then??

because he wasn´t invited to the three some ...

I have learned a valuable lesson from poker pros like Big E.

it doesnt matter if you owe somebody money as long as they owe somebody money too.



I shall apply this to all my future debts (total sarcasm because Im not a scumbag like the people I at one time idolized)

ahhahaa sums up the degen

Consistent in the fact that he treats those he calls out differntly if they are not his friends.

They have known its dirty money for months, they know NOW.

What have they done?

DN said that if Bitar was to blame then why are JF and HL staying silent.......

he said their silence is support for Bitar and the wrong doings of FTP

Yet all these other FTP pro friends of DN are staying just as silent. (except Durrrr who has pledged to do the right thing)



See above.

DN is selectively calling out people and ignoring others.

Those facts are not in dispute.

Its Hypocrisy, plain and simple.

Yea, I'm pretty sure most ppl on here would return money they earned from their job if they found out their boss was shady/ripping ppl off. Get real please.

Erick was heads up at the final table trying to get his first WSOP bracelet. Layne was on the rail, was drunk, being an ******* and was yelling and disturbing Erick. No high five for him.

of course you are assuming that major shareholders had zero clue as to the shady things FTP was doing.

Talking of getting real, you are equating these huge shareholder dividend payments and playing on credit to a paying job.

I have seen no proof either way of what they knew except they are keeping silent.

If I genuinely knew nothing and had my rep at stake I would probably come out in public as Durrrr did and say exactly what I knew.

DN himself said that the silence is basically defending the guilty parties.

pretty sure most ppl on here aren't major shareholders in the companys they work for.

+ 1 Joan Rivers' disgust when referring to Annie Duke as a poker player seems more and more on the mark. Poker is a great game filled with morally (and financially) bankrupt people.

right on the mark.

this is what has been such a turn off for me (and countless others no doubt) with poker. Its not the game itself and its ups and downs, in fact quite the opposite.

The competitive element is what drew most of us to the game in the first place. It's the degenerate scumbags who have tainted it with shady behavior, scandal, drug addictions, rollings and flat out theft.

That is what has turned most recreational players away in droves.

Not exactly surprising, but still one of the mitigating factors in the decline of the state of the game. Aside from Black Friday of course

Actually, he is not. He called out the FTP leadership trio. He's not friends with every FTP pro so I don't see how he's being inconsistent in that regard, it's not as if he's called out some FTP pros and not his FTP pro friends (Harman, Lindgren etc).

In recent times he's called out shady organisations and the people behind them (some of whom happen to be his enemies). I don't recall him ever calling out individuals for individual shady dealings...

The only questionable thing he's done with Lindgren is skirted the issue somewhat. In his vlog he put the situation in the "borrowing" and "old school" category when clearly it is more than that.

Kudos to durrrr for pledging to make things right but as things stand it is still only a pledge. I'll reserve judgment on the FTP pros until we have some sort of resolution. If it comes to light that they had knowledge of where their dividends/salaries were coming from then they are no better than the FTP decision-makers. If, as a result of the ongoing investigation, it is made clear to them that their dividends/salaries were tainted then I'd expect them to undertake some positive action, along the lines of durrrr's pledge. Again, expecting action from them, any action, before there is a resolution, is unrealistic and unfair.

Working for a company, and OWNING that company, are 2 totally different things.

And LOL at people thinking that just because he owned a small % (like 1%) that he didn't "care." If you're making $250K a month from a single "source"...you care a LOT about that source and anyone with half a brain would be "keeping in touch with what was/is going on with that company"

Hell, Warren Buffett "only" owns 8% of Coke...I bet he has no say in what goes on, LOLOLOL HAHAHAH

boom right on

omg... you american poker players cant read people looking at their faces?
the only trustworthy person among these "pros" - barry greenstein.

Disagree, Barry Greenstein lost his trustworthiness when he refused to put the $$ he owes FT in escrow. Don't forget BG would have never paid this back anyway, his silence before he was outed speaks volumes. He was clearly thinking he would never have to pay it back after this mess. Do you think BG knew the money he owed was rightfully due to the players? I think so, yet he never said a word, and had this never come out and FT didn't payback, Barry would be richer with $$ belonging to the players.

NONE of the "OLD" pros are worthy of our trust. They ALL need to go

LOLOLOL HAHAHAHAH shut up you child jesus christ

You waited 2 and a quarter years to post that?