I couldn't agree more. It'll be interesting to see how much or little Daniel sugarcoats E-Dog's behavior.

LOL he's defending Erick for this bull****

Incredible

Indeed... the IRS judgements have nothing to do with social norms in a particular group of people. Having two IRS liens totaling $3.5 million is symptomatic is someone who is either engaged in criminal activity, or is broke. Or both.

Either way, unless they've been settled, I'd say Edog has larger problems to deal with than money he owes from sports betting.

I doubt that lying multiple times over a period of a month and a half about sending a $2.8k cheque that you know isn't being sent is just a matter of "generations" either

Saying he definitely thinks Edog made loads of mistakes is hardly defending him. Geeze, can't we just be grateful he posted (in NVG no less) and wait for more explanation in his blog without berating him?

Thanks for not shying away or ignoring this topic as I'm sure many others in your position would do. Looking forward to your Vlog.

Something tells me you haven't read the e-mail exchange.

lol x2 this dude has aged badly!

Those suits never understood us...or our Rock N Roll!!!!

pics of you with your young hot gf or GTFO

yah, it's the blatant lies and fake cheque thingies that disturbs ppl, not the "dont harass me when your loan is what im playing tonight, u know im good for it give me some time goddamnit"-mentality.

Fine if he says he mailed the cheque with the intention of sending it in a few hours a day or so and just blame it on the postoffice, but after saying such a thing and then not being torn by guilt enough to actually mail it. SLEAZY.

obv us "new school players" don't get that stiffing the IRS for millions, foreclosing on houses, gambling away everything we have and stiffing people is how it is with "old schoolers" and perfectly acceptable

Cliffs for Daniel:


Jan 31 - Erick

Sorry family was in town. Will get a check out to you tomorrow.

Feb 6 - Erick

Just got back in town sorry. It went out today.

Feb 13 - Interpleader

uh, i dont think it went out. Haven't gotten it.

Feb 24 - Erick

Hey man just seeing your emails, sorry have been insanely busy with 3 month old, moving and getting back to playing. You have every right to do whatever you would like but i do promise I can get a check in the mail by tomorrow. I am in LA but have to go home tonight after poker to take care of some things. Hope that is ok.

Erick

Check the dates, and bolded phrases...

FPS

Definitely older LOL! Got a really funny Freddie Deeb story about that. He owed IRS some money, met with them, and said, "Listen guys, I'm broke right now but if you want me to pay there is a great $1000-$2000 game at the Bellagio you can stake me in."

LOL. A lot of you guys don't know some epic degen stories from the "old days" that are both a bit pathetic, but often very amusing!

For the record, I'm not defending Erick here, and I won't be in my vlog either. I'm going to paint some pictures of a reality most of you aren't privy too. Poker world has always been a weird place.

I mea,n I have had figures with people that look like:

$25k personal
$65k gambling

Meaning, a guy owes me $25k for a personal loan, and then also owes me $65k for a golf figure, or whatever. The $25k I'd expect to get when it was owed, where the gambling figure would be taken care of when the guy was flush with cash and could afford parting with it.

I'm not even going to try and convince, or persuade anyone that this is "logical" or makes sense at all, but it's extremely common in the gambling world.

Edog wears a shirt that says "E-Duster" on it, meaning exactly what you might think! While Isildur has degen like qualities playing online, Edog is obviously super degen when it comes to gambling as a whole.

Anyway, this next vlog won't cover it, but the one after that will extensively.

I'll add, I didn't say anything about Howard and FTP until about 10 months in. I also know of PLENTY of people who owe money, and I never put them on blast and I won't.

I'm only responding here because someone who was owed $2800 decided to post it on 2+2. That's not something you would have ever seen in the "old world," unless Erick had specifically said he wasn't going to pay it. What I saw was Edog being neglegent about it, claiming he sent a check and didn't, but not that he wasn't going to pay it.

New school approach is different, and people are definitely held more accountable for their actions.

Much like with Chino, I don't often get involved in people's personal dealing with other players. These are "small time" issues in the poker world IMO and only effect the people who trusted someone and got screwed. I.E. If Chino borrowed money from John, and hasn't paid it back yet, that's between Chino and John.

I think it's fine for John to warn others not to loan Chino any money, but If I were to get involved in every suspect financial transaction between two people in our industry, I wouldn't have any time to sleep. And I love sleep.

This is a funny country we live in. I've had couples tell me how often they do it. I've had friends tell me they are on zoloft or other mental medication. I've had women I have just barely met tell me about their problems with anorexia or how they were molested. When I tell people I don't want to know about their sex life they have to tell me stories of chaffing.

But nobody, and I mean nobody, not even my parents or anyone in my family, has ever told me how much money they have in the bank (unless they were trying to poor mouth me cause they owed me money in which case I assume they were lying). This is like top secret information for which their is no security clearance. I know several married couple that hide money from each other. How much? I don't know they wouldn't say. How much money you have is more secret than your whole cards. People only show when they die.

All this speculation about how much money Erick Lindgren has is utterly ridiculous. You don't know. You won't ever have any reliable estimate. All that is certain is he will be broke. You don't fold top top to Farha on the flop and not eventually go broke.

Hey, never said it was acceptable. No question that the younger, online grinders are 1000% times more financially responsible than the previous generation. Two completely different worlds.

You're speaking when many said you wouldn't.
Respect to you sir

Is this the real Daniel Nugranu? If it is, hey Daniel. Big fan,just got done watching HSP Season 2. You and Edog in there. You run horrible as usual . When I come out to WSOP this year, you think you could let me roll with you so we can pick up some hot chics. I see your doing your things with the ladys these days. Gl to all

Too much crap talk about the younger generation, perhaps we feel younger, but we're all getting older, even you Danny boy.

Mr. Negreanu, will you personally be giving EDog a "loan" for either player debt, personal property (i.e. house or car payments), IRS debt, or as a future stake?

Also, in your next video, will you directly address how many players are not in near as good of shape financially as the media would have us believe? I would be curious if you feel that there is a great deal of deception in this as well. I can understand wanting to portray easy money and an extravagant lifestyle to the average squares, but on the other hand perhaps you are selling false advertising and promoting delusional/inaccurate fantasies.

I think that the "old school" way of handling these types of situations is a large part of the reason why poker hasn't been totally accepted by the rest of society.

I think it's fair to suggest that the online poker situation in the US is due (at least in some part) to the negative connotations associated with poker because of how the poker community operates under a different set of 'rules' to the rest of society (the way debts are handled etc).

The sooner the poker community moves away from the "old school" way, the better it will be for poker in general (IMO).

Why is everyone so sure he owns the house on Vintage Caynon? If he owns a 2 million dollar piece of RE and wont pay that is just ridiculous.

The document presented just said he lived there. Why does everyone assume he owns it?

Agreed. I understand Daniels perspective more, and appreciate him expressing his views.

Well that was a damn good warning to never bet with an old school player, what ridiculous practices. Disgusting....

I wonder how much money people screwed Chip over using the same tactics.