Sorry to hear about your situation. I too have been screwed over many times by gambling buddies. No names or anything, but people I have known since grade school, that don't pay.

Now, I no longer lend out anything. I am about your age too.

I hope you see it now, and I am sure you no longer lend.

here is a problem with lending to even a solid person: even if they pay you back, in the back on their mind, they think they have credit with you.

it is a dangerous game to play, lending and borrowing.

LOL'd at the truth in this, ur a boss zbt

This is the best post i've read in this feed. Made me a little ashamed of reading this garbage for so long.

lol welcome to the internet bro where everyone knows everything might as well just jump in

Well... I find funny that a guy who played the "poker pro" role was a degen that didn´t bother to pay up and did "check in the mail" excuses even with the FT money...and even more funnier that DN who likes to play the "poker avenger" role chooses not to mention him at all in a Vblog where he talks **** about everyone...

I don´t give a **** about people borrowing. Is that people business. That Layne Flack story about lending money to a broke DN and then owning him 500k is ok with me... But this Lindgreen story seems like an obvious "if you are one of the boys you can do all that you want and we won´t say ****" to not mention the scumy double standards.

would u bet on it ?

Epic pic.

I'd be interested in purchasing this shirt, minus the FTP logo.

http://super-tees.spreadshirt.com/ga...bs-up-A5845646

FTP logo is just a patch.

I'm sure eDog will sell you it. For $3.5 million

we are still outsiders looking in and even you admit that there isnt enough details....intresting to hear that the other guy was flack....he was a beast back in his day..."back to back"....i spose i take a lot of pride in beating the game now that the washed up homies cant cut it anymore!!!

I agree there´s a lot of "outside looking in" and that we are basically trolling while only the guys with Lindgren´s debts have the true scoop, but there are still things like Negreanu trying to justify it as "old school" that does not cut it for me.

I was just talking with a 20+ year live pro from California about it and even by his "old school" standards E-dog behaviour is pure scum.

I don´t care if Lindgren gambled away all his money. Is the "I´ll pay you tomorrow" **** that is wrong. Ivey may be broke and (as far as I know) is still ok in my book because he even paid debts that nobody knew about (Chip Reese ). What they do with their money is their degenerate business but when you read the Coltranedog post seems like E-dog is a fine candidate for that "bat to the balls" or whatever that Negreanu wished for the FT trio in a Vblog not long ago... Obvious double standard and DN loses tons of credibility with this crap.

i entirely agree.."old school" it seems is a methodology of being able to put yourself in more "profitable" scenarios in hopes that your word and name are big enough...rlly iresponsible way of doing business =[ , saying "old school" instead of "we were idiots" is ntot that good...

I pulled this off of another forum, I dont know if it has been posted here yet but I know the guy who posted this story and he is well known in the poker community




-- 2008-2009 NFL season fantasy NFL Erick owed my fantasy team (it's 4 of my college friends that split the league because it's baller stakes and I'm poor) $30k - he dicked us around for months, after a few months (and remember this is the height of FTP) I got pissed off seeing him w/$80k on 3 FTP tables and playing every $10k each week owing me (he only dealt with me, not the team) a 30ball. At one point, after telling him he needs to pay it's been 5 months my buddy Dave who was a part of our team called Erick, to which Erick responded by calling me saying that if anyone else ever called him about the fantasy debt he would pay me $100/month. Boy that pissed me off, what a ****. I then told him that if he did that I would blow him up on Neverwinpoker. He ends up paying me WSOP 2009 / about 7 months after debt was due, handed me chips like no big deal.

-- Flash forward to today, where again my fantasy team beat Erick for around $10k this year, he lost to others in our league too (and apparently to everyone in every league everywhere) and that debt is currently in our accounts receivable, like all of 2+2...

I would give him a call and see if his offer to pay you $100/month also applies to the 10K...then snap call obv.

Why would he play Fantasy Football with him again?

You could call into his show next Wednesday and ask him yourself.

cliffs : degens excuses > desire to pay whats owed

As in last football season before any of this was know...

Negreanu is such a hypocrite.

he now claims that private/degen debt is different to FTP/corporate debt.

So what about all the FTP pros who degened money away, what about all his FTP buds like Ivey, edog and Harmon who got paid in dirty money.

If something is wrong its wrong.

You cant be some vocal moral crusader calling people out and not expect to get called out on this obvious hypocrisy.

The real shame is I pretty much agree with most of what he says.

He's absolutely right on this.

Public corporate behavior is subject to oversight...
Everything is documented by lawyers on paper...
And there exists court or arbitration to resolve disputes...
Though it's still a totally cutthroat Darwinian meat grinder.

Comparing the mainstream US and EU business world...
To shady, offshore or 3rd World business entities...
Or verbal commitments made by degenerate gamblers...
Is completely naive and ridiculous.

That said...
Maybe DN should stop flapping his yap for one second...
He is not the center of the universe...
And Daniel is NO BETTER than the company he keeps.

well said

Got it, he didn't pay til WSOP last time but it's expected to be different this time.

I've read every post in this thread out of absolute fascination, and there's been only one other post (which I can't seem to find now) that mentions addiction. Amazing...

Granting that all of this information is true, this whole situation is just sad. Some of these pros (and many non-pros) seem to be legit gambling addicts. Well, that and possibly some other addiction/mental illness/family issues that really cloud their judgment.

I'm not trying to go all "internet psychologist." My only family members are bipolar/alcoholics/gambling/sex addicts, etc. I see SO many parallels here. And seeing people in situations like Lindgren's... Well, it just saddens me.

My best wishes to everyone involved, but especially to those who, in this moment, are beginning to realize just how badly they messed up. Sometimes they just really lose control...

Protecting his friends obv. Also I find it funny how he acts like people don't have a right to be upset about the money they loaned to people and are now getting d1cked out of. And these "people" are supposed to be pioneers (lols) Well Daniel not everyone get's a 7 fig salary from Pokerstars rain or shine, so yah 20 gees is a lot kidd.

I'm starting to think Eric snubbed Layne Flack (high five incident after Eric busts out 3rd in the 50k) for reasons other than Layne being Layne.