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I'm not leveling actually here - those hands aren't examples of leaks necessarily. It 3 bet with J7....PREFLOP HU?!?!? ZOMG AND I HAD JJ?!?! Do you see why this isn't an example of a leak nor does it matter that you had JJ?

But going to excuse myself from this headache - Carry on Hawrilenkoesque live limit pros - Destroy the slight mistakes it makes on purpose while you play perfect GTO.

I wonder if Kevin Spacey will reprise his roll from 21 - Playing an old Sklansky - teaching kids to crush the every once in awhile bad play it makes on purpose with perfect nash equilibrium inducing GTO. DONT THINK THAT THEY'LL LET YOU KEEP YOUR FINGERS WITH HOW MUCH EQUITY U HAVE BOYS!!!

(Shorting Caesars stock as we speak) (Not sure if shorting MGM stock because they will lose 9 figures to limit specialists, but will maybe make more from Kevin Spacey Movie. Very Tough Call)

The easiest way to guarantee you beat the machine is to get a hold of the program and play it against itself except for the obvious errors.

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07-11-2014 , 07:31 PM

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krmont22

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from the nyt article it seemed like there was no way to even read the source code so what prevents the machine from being rigged?

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07-11-2014 , 07:55 PM

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gis6orne

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Originally Posted by krmont22

from the nyt article it seemed like there was no way to even read the source code so what prevents the machine from being rigged?

My understanding is that they only used neural nets to develop the play and then wrote the code to mimic how the program was playing. The casino machines do have programmed source code.

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07-11-2014 , 11:49 PM

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DesertCat

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Originally Posted by Maximose1

Let me bold some things to help you with your lack of reading comprehension.

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Here are some fun hands a friend played vs. machine.

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I raise TT it 3 bets I cap, 997 flop it b/3b I cap, c/r 2 turn. River J and I lose to J8

I raise cap AA, it leads 974 flop and wins with K8

It caps 10-6-4 flop and turn with AA and beats TT

I open JJ it 3 bets J7o and comes 89T

I open JJ, it 3 bets I cap, flop is J56, it donk/3 bets and I call, it bet calls 2 turn and check calls 3 river with J4?

I'm not saying it's not tough and not better than 99% of opponents, but some of its plays are clearly poor, and a solid HU LHE player should have an edge vs. it.

As far as the JJ vs. J7 hand, do you really think it's smart to three bet 50% of your range out of position vs. a tough player?

Do you think it's smart to C/R J8 on a 9972 turn vs. an opponent who capped preflop & flop?

How about leading a 974 flop w/K8 vs. a preflop capper?

How about check/calling a rivered backdoor straight?

If you answered yes to any of these questions, then answer one more question.

Do you even play limit holdem? I can arrange a game for you.

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07-12-2014 , 12:07 AM

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DrOlson

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Played a hand today: I raise button with k6, bot 3b with 22. Board comes 664K2. Bot bets flop I call, turn I raise bot calls. River deuce and bot check calls... WAT

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07-12-2014 , 02:00 AM

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The bot does some terribly bad things sometimes. I saw a picture of it folding AA pre to a 4bet, no joke. I think it is programmed to take every possible action a certain % of the time. That was close to when it first came out though, I suspect it has fixed some of its more absurd leaks since then.

One trend I've noticed in playing it extensively is that it somehow finds folds with ace high, bottom pair, even top pair a handful of times when I have it beaten, but never once in my life when I was bluffing. Suspicious at best. Guess it's just a soul reading hunk of metal.

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07-12-2014 , 02:04 AM

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bugstud

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Originally Posted by DrOlson

Played a hand today: I raise button with k6, bot 3b with 22. Board comes 664K2. Bot bets flop I call, turn I raise bot calls. River deuce and bot check calls... WAT

given how most of these hands go suprised it didn't c/f

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07-12-2014 , 02:18 AM

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Buffjobx

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Originally Posted by krmont22

from the nyt article it seemed like there was no way to even read the source code so what prevents the machine from being rigged?

Machine will never be inside a vegas casino unless they know the exact stats of the machine. This includes being able to produce the source code upon request of any gaming dept

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07-12-2014 , 02:26 AM

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TonySoprano

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where can you play this

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07-12-2014 , 03:00 AM

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AKingdom

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I'm curious how long it takes the neural net to go through billions of hands to find it's optimal strategy. Obviously it depends on the processing power available to it but I wonder if it's a matter of minutes, hours or days.

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07-12-2014 , 09:53 AM

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Brown Keeper

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Originally Posted by TonySoprano

where can you play this

Outside of Bellagio and Aria poker rooms, in Venetian poker room.
Not sure of others.

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07-12-2014 , 01:10 PM

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Hood

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It was in cosmo too, at least last summer.

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07-12-2014 , 06:24 PM

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ZOMG_RIGGED!

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Originally Posted by Hood

It was in cosmo too, at least last summer.

And removed last summer

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07-13-2014 , 02:12 PM

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Benni19

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How did the match ended?

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07-15-2014 , 02:17 PM

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hankypankyAA

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I think we're all being levelled by jungleman here.

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07-15-2014 , 02:37 PM

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eddymitchel

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you dont understand crossbooking

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07-15-2014 , 05:00 PM

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gus1112

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saw dwan playing this machine outside aria poker room about 3 weeks ago, had a rail of dudes watching and drinking, funny he didn't look like he was taking it that seriously

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07-15-2014 , 06:18 PM

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kevmode

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Originally Posted by DrOlson

Played a hand today: I raise button with k6, bot 3b with 22. Board comes 664K2. Bot bets flop I call, turn I raise bot calls. River deuce and bot check calls... WAT

This is a strange hand indeed.

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07-15-2014 , 06:52 PM

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DrawNone

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Originally Posted by Buffjobx

Machine will never be inside a vegas casino unless they know the exact stats of the machine. This includes being able to produce the source code upon request of any gaming dept

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Originally Posted by TonySoprano

where can you play this

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Originally Posted by Brown Keeper

Outside of Bellagio and Aria poker rooms, in Venetian poker room.
Not sure of others.