I would personally be shocked if Durrrr did anything with malicious intentions (including being passive if situation clearly called to do something).
I still think he misjudged big time by actively endorsing scam but I can see him being tricked into it.

if i knew about it earlier i woulda fixed it. doug was a guy, and seemed nice/sincere. *think* hes one of the good ones but not sure obv

im obviously regretful that i said i thought ftp would pay and they didnt, but i really don't fault my reasoning. Its just such a joke for them to not have player funds in escrow, and its the only way they could fkup a huge cash cow of a business.

If there's anyone I respect, it's durrrr.

Yes and he obviously believed that... He wasn't looking out for Full Tilt by saying this, he was trying to help the players by offering encouragement, based off what he knew at the time..

Im 100% positive that had Durrrr known half of the things he knows right now about the way FTP was ran, he would have NEVER signed on in any way...

Giving durrrr any heat at all is absolutely ridiculous. Instead, lets focus on the Full Tilt Board, namely Ferguson and Howard, the people who REALLY deserve the heat.

lol shadiness itt

Much respect for durrrr. He seems sincere and stand up guy.


On the other side of the FTP story I'm pretty sure we won't get our money back.
I just hope the real criminals Howard, Bitar, Jesus and the other involved "managers" won't get away with this crime and will be punished sooo badly.
They really deserve to be in jail for a long time.

Tom, any thoughts on hooking up with pokerstars?

Any insight on online poker for US?

If he has an Adam's Apple, he just swallowed it:

Full Tilt Poker is also accused of misleading players, with the complaint referencing specific examples, such as emails and even posts made in popular poker forums. In particular, on page 68 of the complaint, the DOJ points out a post on TwoPlusTwo by Full Tilt spokesman “FTPDoug,” who explained to players on July 19, 2008:
"Trusts are legal vehicles whereby funds are deposited into a trust account under the control of a trustee who manages the funds in accordance with the instructions of the trust settlor (you). Given the thousands of deposit and withdrawal transactions Full Tilt has to process each day, the variety of methods used to deposit funds, and the delays in actually receiving funds which are deposited by credit card or check, a trust is simply not practical for our purposes."
“Players' funds at Full Tilt Poker are kept in several deposit accounts throughout the world, all of which are separate and distinct from our operating accounts. Funds are transferred from the players' deposit accounts to Full Tilt Poker's operating accounts only after we have earned them. This is not done each time we earn rake or even daily, but as our earnings accumulate, we make periodic transfers of those earnings from the deposit accounts to our operating accounts."


Read more: http://www.pokernews.com/news/2011/0...er-f-11058.htm

this thread is stupid and should be locked

Firstly good of you to be answering questions Durrrr

Can you name other high status players who knew about what was going on with regards to only $60m being in the bank and over $300m being owed to them.

Do you know the amounts (or rough amounts) that everyone in Team Fulltilt has been paid over the course of the last years and do you think any of them will be willing to pay back any money they have made back in the last 20months(same as you) or longer or shorter ?
Do you think they should ?

whats your honest opinion on Howard Lederer and Chris Ferguson now ? and do you think there will be others to follow ?

I've always liked durrrr and I have more respect for him after his posts here today.

As far as I can tell his relationship to FTP is limited to being a paid endorser. Perhaps if he were a few years older he would not have made some of the bolder statements. So what?

First, thanks for responding in this thread Tom.

How would you be able to handle the logistical nightmare of paying so many players, without knowing who truly had $X in their account as of Apr 15, plus that there are some small % of people who have actually sold their FTP money for .xx/$, and are then trying to get a freeroll off that as well (assuming you can get a list of players' account balances).

Fwiw, im in the camp where you are not obligated to pay anything.

Only pro from Ftp talking, if you don't like thread then leave.

Lot of respect for durrrr seems like he's going to follow through on this.

Will red pros whos salaries are stuck on the site be part of the $1m or will they be exempt? Is it easy to find out how much each player is owed?

Nice post.

I'll put money on Lederer doing time and Durr never giving out a penny

I've heard the road to hell was also paved with good intentions.

Thanks Tom, I was one of the many ftp customers that believed doug when he said our player funds where safe. He might be just a pawn but the person telling him this really set up smoke and mirrors and had alot of us fooled.

I totally believe 100% that you would have tried to make things work if you could. It's funny how you have the least amount of business experience and would have ran the company way better than Ray Bitar.

FWIW it takes alot of balls to give back money to average everday poker players. Not to many good deeds have come out of the poker world lately. It's nice to know that someone cares about us.

Make sure to get over to pokerstars before rush week.

I have over 20k on FTP. thats pretty much all the money I have left in the world right now. I dont want one penny from Tom.

I want my own ****ing money back.

Hes just a kid caught up in this **** like the rest of us.

I still give the "kid" the benefit of the doubt.....why? Because he is still a young man, and obv has a lot to learn.

Today is a good day ,and a bad day, for all of us. Some more than others.

I'm just mad FTP took advantage of the trust of Galfond, Matusow, Dwan as they did with us.

I know durrr in passing and a lot of his friends really well and would just like to confirm this from everything I know and have heard.

@ durrrr

so is it pretty much common knowledge now that FTP can't and won't pay any of the money back to the players after this?

@ anyonewhoknows

would the players be receiving a portion of the money recovered stolen by Lederer, Fergeson, and the rest? I feel its only right as much of that money is put back into the poker community.



I feel this who situation as a hole has hurt the poker community greatly. taking all of that money out of circulation from the player pool and into that fat ass howard's pockets is terrible for everyone. Ever since I first saw him on TV he really seemed like the most unlikeable money hungry guy. No respect for his poker game or him as a person. Him and the cowboy to me are on the same level of respect at this point. They both stole from poker and every innocent person who played the game that got them to where they are with no intentions of the good of anyone. Seriously they have lost the value of money.... once you hit a certain point its not about money anymore but most people cant see that. 5 mil....10 mil...50 mil.... its all the same. Not going to change your pathetic fat greedy self Howard. Hope you rot in jail

Have you been reading??

Ty to durrrr for answering so many questions, and just being a good member of the community amidst so many crummy ones.

lol how has anyone still respect for durrr?

if everything is too late, he comes out of his dirty hole and plays the innocent all together with a claim of 1 million dollars and the nvg tards obviously fall for it.

but yeah if i would be durrr i would do the same clean my nama asap..in the back of his head he already forges another plan with a major pokersite (pokerstars?) to get back to the good old status he enjoyed before all the mess.