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Daniel Negreanu would bet 1 million dollars that he could beat high stakes online NLHE Daniel Negreanu would bet 1 million dollars that he could beat high stakes online NLHE

08-15-2014 , 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Lefort
Yeah tbh I think it's kind of insulting to these guys.. I mean I'm sure Daniel didn't mean it to be that way, but he's basically saying "oh so you're a small handful of the most elite problem solvers and deductive logic reasoners in the world and you've devoted the past 5+ years of your life to perfecting a very specific craft of 100bb 6m NLH poker? Well I haven't ever really spent a lot of time on that form of the game, but I'm so much smarter than you that it'll only take me two weeks to get to the level it took you years to get to.."

Obv he's not starting from scratch.. but I bet he's a whole lot closer to starting from scratch than he thinks. In fact if he did decide to tackle it and took on a few coaches like kanu or ike etc.. I think it's pretty likely he'd buy out once he realizes what he actually needs to do... provided they are frank with him and point out how massive some of his leaks are going to be and how much work he'll need to do to fix them.

I think the big reason for his naivety is that he's never really played a game where information was so limited such that he has very little in the way of exploitable opportunities and flexibility within his strategy. When your opponent is playing close enough to perfect in a lot of spots that you need to know how to respond to that in all those spots, and you've never once in your life needed to know what that response is like, you're going to be in for a beating.
yup.

basically if he didnt have any seating edge theres 0 chance he could be a true winner at 25/50+ (probably lower stakes) in 2 weeks. infact, its possible he could never be a winner in that situation given unlimited coaching and time.
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08-15-2014 , 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by brokeBluffer
noob question.
there are 30 regs with the same program online at that moment . Who gets the first 5 seats ? How does it works?
From what I understand and I can completely wrong because Im just reading between the lines of discussions; one of the top seating programs has a queue system for those who have the same program.
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08-15-2014 , 11:44 PM
Get em Danny.
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08-16-2014 , 12:50 AM
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Originally Posted by KennyJPowers
I think this is really weird that he has just come out with this he's even arguing with railbirds on twitter saying "he would leave you broke and homeless" to one guy. whys he suddenly having a mini meltdown?
One Drop coverage hitting the airwaves in the states right now. I'm sure DNegs heard from every Twitter railbird about how horrible all his plays were and it got under his skin. Guess the lesson in Twitter psychological defense mechanisms hasn't been offered at Choice Center yet
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08-16-2014 , 01:37 AM
lol at 50k hands determining anything at all in aggressive games.
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08-16-2014 , 01:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Fulzgold
lol at 50k hands determining anything at all in aggressive games.
Is this a level?
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08-16-2014 , 02:07 AM
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Originally Posted by omgonedirection
Is this a level?
no. It's not a large sample of online hands. Especially given the higher variance nature of high stakes, which increases standard deviation. Captain Obvious imo.
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08-16-2014 , 02:10 AM
The variance is high and the winrates are very low, what are the best 6-max players making at that stake, 3-4bb/100 for the top 10% maybe?
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08-16-2014 , 02:30 AM
Would take up to 50k against, but this won't happen. Arrogant and disrespectful claim. Clearly bit off more than he can chew and this will never be attempted as he knows he slipped up...
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08-16-2014 , 02:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Fulzgold
no. It's not a large sample of online hands. Especially given the higher variance nature of high stakes, which increases standard deviation. Captain Obvious imo.
Obviously it's not perfect but what are you going to do require that he play 5 million hands? You have to pick a realistic number at some point.
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08-16-2014 , 02:53 AM
In order for a six handed game to be super tough, the sixth best player has to quite good. But if he is, why wouldn't he realize he should be playing smaller? In other words unless these almost top notch players are essentially suckers, one would expect at least one weak player in the game. And one weak player might be all that Daniel would need.
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08-16-2014 , 03:19 AM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
In order for a six handed game to be super tough, the sixth best player has to quite good. But if he is, why wouldn't he realize he should be playing smaller? In other words unless these almost top notch players are essentially suckers, one would expect at least one weak player in the game. And one weak player might be all that Daniel would need.
Yeah but what if there are plenty of HSNL regs ready to seat-script bum hunt Daniel because they see HIM as the sucker? Now he's the sixth best player in the game..
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08-16-2014 , 03:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Roger Mainfield
The variance is high and the winrates are very low, what are the best 6-max players making at that stake, 3-4bb/100 for the top 10% maybe?
that alextrev guy is making 10bb/100 at 5knl 6max over 100k hands but he does bum hunt a fair bit just like any of the others at those stakes so I assume theres a few more with solid win rates.
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08-16-2014 , 03:24 AM
Daniel is the weak player in these games and he is out of his mind if he thinks he has even the slightest edge vs any of the regs at 25/50 on Stars, also this 2 week practice thing sounds ludicrous what can he learn in 2 weeks thats going to give him a edge? As soon as he sits in the table will instantly fill with regs

There is no doubt Daniel is a amazing talent at tournaments and mixed games but this 1 million challenge is just unbelievable, i think he is seriously overestimating his ability and underestimating the quality and hard work that these players have put in over the years to be able to compete at this level
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08-16-2014 , 03:55 AM
Sounds like Negreanu is just doing a promotion for PokerStars to hopefully get more action at the 25/50 and up games, but I don't see any way he beats the regs over any significant sample size. I'd like to see a Negreanu/Colman heads up 50k hand challenge playing 25/50 NL but know it would never happen.

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08-16-2014 , 04:02 AM
he said he couldnt be more serious so Idk why hed back out

also I think getting coaching for kanu and ike is going to win him more than 1kk in the long run so its a good investment regardless
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08-16-2014 , 04:27 AM
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Originally Posted by DontStep
that alextrev guy is making 10bb/100 at 5knl 6max over 100k hands but he does bum hunt a fair bit j
not on poker stars.
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08-16-2014 , 04:36 AM
25/50 requires seating script wars, problems with getting sample (although once DN is online the game would run on how many tables he pleases so there is that).
Why not bet he won't win pre rb at 2.5/5 ZOOM though ?
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08-16-2014 , 04:43 AM
Name any sport and tell if someone can beat the best by training in 2 weeks. That's like Manchester United say they can beat Chelsea consistently by training in 2 weeks. Laughable.
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08-16-2014 , 04:48 AM
i wont mirrion
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08-16-2014 , 04:53 AM
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Originally Posted by SicilianTaimanov
Name any sport and tell if someone can beat the best by training in 2 weeks. That's like Manchester United say they can beat Chelsea consistently by training in 2 weeks. Laughable.
Man Utd and Chelsea are pretty even matched to begin with so it's not a great analogy...more like saying that Coventry could beat Chelsea with two weeks intensive training - that is laughable...

DN also seems to think that if he gets two weeks training from Ike? the like of Polk/Kanu will be standing still...
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08-16-2014 , 04:57 AM
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Originally Posted by KrustyTheClown
Pmsl. I remember that. Got to laugh at Daniel 'testing himself'. He actually struggled with 50NL. Four years ago. This gives me great confidence he can see a challenge through

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Originally Posted by Roger Mainfield
The variance is high and the winrates are very low, what are the best 6-max players making at that stake, 3-4bb/100 for the top 10% maybe?
Lol

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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
In order for a six handed game to be super tough, the sixth best player has to quite good. But if he is, why wouldn't he realize he should be playing smaller? In other words unless these almost top notch players are essentially suckers, one would expect at least one weak player in the game. And one weak player might be all that Daniel would need.
I would actually be interested in a serious response to this from Lefort or someone with that level of credibility.

I'm guessing it's just that some people misconstrue their edge in certain circumstances but who knows

But even if there is a fish in the game, you would have to think the better players would eat him up before Daniel did way too much of the time for it to be profitable for Negreanu. Daniel is going to be making mistakes against the fish that the more GTO players would never do.

Last edited by SandraXII; 08-16-2014 at 05:07 AM.
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08-16-2014 , 04:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Judice555
DN also seems to think that if he gets two weeks training from Ike? the like of Polk/Kanu will be standing still...
I doubt it will be Ike that give the training. Most likely Ivey.
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08-16-2014 , 05:25 AM
agree with punter, if danial want to really do this he should play 200K+ hands of 5/10 or 2/5 zoom 6max, similar to what OTBRedBaron did for his "crushing zoom minichallenge" PGC thing. that way he can easily get the volume, always get action. Of course i'm pretty sure that the 2 weeks hard study he will crush those games!

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08-16-2014 , 05:25 AM
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Douglas Polk ‏@DougPolkPoker
@RealKidPoker Also it depends on what your strategy is. Of course if you get the current best reg to coach you then you will be quicker

Douglas Polk ‏@DougPolkPoker
@RealKidPoker but afaik im not coaching
WCG dropping some humility
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