Yes this parlayed with the fact that there has never been one hint that FTP software had/has a functionality that allowed viewing of hole cards makes the whole idea that he cheated a huge stretch. Also, a cheating program for FTP or a special version of the client, would have to be pretty fancy since FTP (unlike AP/UB) uses a continuous shuffle. Therefore the cards aren't known at the beginning of the hand.

They also kept player funds in segregated accounts.

The best player in the world should be able to disguise the fact that he could see hole cards.

Maybe this was Dwans "big issue"...so the question is who/what kept him silent?

I wouldnt be surprised if this was the case

Fergusons image was so squeaky clean he just had to actually be filthy, and it has since been proven that he is scum

No. The poker version of this would be playing somebody at poker and noticing imperfections on the back of the cards. Then asking you opponent if you could turn certain cards a certain way because you are superstitious. Then proceeding to taking advantage.

i can send an email and have all my hand history sent to me. it is not outwith the realms of possibility for him to have had access to the hand histories of people he played with on a daily basis given how shady ftp were.

phil only plays nosebleed stakes, usually shorthanded. variance in dollar amounts will be huge. It's probable that his true winrate was less than his +19m sample indicates, considering nobody else had a winrate really close to him (he played fewer hands than most nosebleed regs).

Lol @ this. Are you just trolling?

how about analyzing the effect of guy laliberte on that era of high stakes? the money flow has dried up and the games have become tougher

I think this thread proves Brian Townsend was cheating in '09. What other explanation could there be?

I seem to remember "IhateJuice" or "Kagome" playing HU limit against Phil Ivey and saying that he felt that something a bit shady was going down.

I'll look through Hasu's post history, but I seem to remember him saying that something just didn't feel right and he quite Phil Ivey? Pretty sure that he was considered the tip top limit hu player at the time.

Okay, so I dug the exact two Hasu quotes on the subject.

Interestingly enough, I also remember Hoss_TBF saying something along similar lines of Hasu? That when he started playing Phil Ivey, he thought that there were some pretty significant and glaring leaks. As they kept playing, he felt like Phil Ivey zeroed in on him until he was uncertain who was better. Obviously that's how good players adapt, but there was just something in the way or context described it that made me feel uneasy? I cannot recall.

Perhaps Beal needs to launch an investigation and recover the 17M he lost to Ivey because nobody should understand the game better at a technical level better than a mathematician

actually this is EXACTLY how advantage play teams work.

anyone who thinks edge sorting is cheating is ******ed.

anyone who thinks unregulated online poker games run out of shady tiny countries and indian reservations werent cheated in ways we know and many we dont is equally ******ed.

to date, ivey is squeaky clean. investigations are healthy and needed but dont jump to unsubstantiated conclusions, it sullies a result that will surely come from left field and blow minds.

not the way prosecution works. The prosecuting authorities in the UK are remarkably passive on a range of crimes. The police don't care about this, the regulator is happy for the casino to look after itself in the civil courts and the Crown Prosecution Service cares less than the police.

UK jurisprudence was so uninterested in gambling that it was nt until 2007 that gambling debts became legally enforceable, centuries before they got sick of silly aristocrats clogging up the courts and said sort it out yourselves. Now that was when dueing remained popular so their were options but you should not believe that all criminality is prosecuted, if it were we would have a lot more with criminal records.

This, I'd trust Ivey about as far a I could throw him.

the 'casino cheating' allegations are massive LOL, if you read the arguments of both sides its pretty clear, that the casino is just butthurt.

edge sorting isn't forbidden and what i've read so far, all the things ivey demanded (private dealer, shuffle machine, turning of the cards ...) weren't forbidden either. so it's basically like card counting. i guess borgata is speculating, to get at least some piece back. i didn't read much about the london case and nothing at all, about the laws in UK. obv idk, but i doubt he somehow cheated in london, he just used the edge sorting technique.

and btw: edge sorting doesn't mean you win 100%, it just gives you advantage over the house. so if ivey would have been unlucky, he could have lost millions (maybe he lost millions in other casinos and no one cares about that).


anyway: @ ftp ... if ivey would have cheated back then, why he would play now with no advantage and lose millions? he has the perfect excuse not to play b/c he is the name behind ivey poker. no one would have asked, why he don't play anymore. so i'm pretty sure he didn't have any kind of superuser account.

another 'argument' vs your speculations: why is PA still winning? is he really good, didn't he chaet back then? did he just adapt and/or selects his tables better?

PLUS: the DoJ read probably every single email the big guys from ftp have sent, so any cheating would have been become public. the only thing i can imagine, would be some sort of collusion to make the whales lose faster their money (check out the guy laliberte rant thread)


the only shady thing so far, is that lawsuit against ftp ... imo diamond flush said once, that there's some big story behind

I started a few threads myself about this topic but they were closed but some over zealous mods. How about how he was a losing player at PokerStars during the glory days but was the top player at FT...

It's always been pretty obvious to me and now that I read Hasu's post I'm even more sure. FT wanted people to consider Ivey the top player in the world for marketing purposes.

Don't you guys remember how Howard Lederer constantly referred to Ivey as the top player n the world...

Phil had bigger problems during this time. He received 7 million from Illya trincher 5 days before trincher was arrested by FBI. Mosseri,Helly Nahmad , brian Zuriff (Ray Donovan producer) were arrested also. Now gov wants money back . Lots of crap going down with that that triggered other audits. Phil's name was on tapes over 1000 times. He was lucky Phil again. Wait was he Mexico citizen then or Macau or what.

Phil was also weird in Bobby's room last WSOP. Guy kept coming in a doing ear whisper thing like giving him instructions or in charge. Like backer watcher. He did not play much .
Lost big when he played and always had the ego excuse ready for not playing. That no one wants to play him and people are too scared and leave. No one cares anymore and no one left. He put spread a lot of cash on the table.

Infamous Asian women cheater:
It was hysterical how we found out about Phil's new friend that was touring around with him in casinos.
Chow and Ming would argue over who knew more about her. They would say " there go cheater woman" "her head like computer and she wear many beauty disguises" . I guess she was infamous with all high stake Asian players. They said only good thing going for her was she looked like millions of other Asian women and could get lost fast and be a mystery. Said casinos hire her in other countries to come in and cheat whales.
Phil Entourage this year was scummier and scummier. How did Phil and this women know each other? Who sought out who?
Other relationships are "the crocodile". Vanessa Russo dad. Another infamous cheater. The alligator has lists millions to HS players, mostly New York players and was even giving gold bars at one time for pay that were stolen. Lol. He is in France and can't enter America cause of warrants and etc...yes, Vanessa is embarrassed of him. The same women and Phil were spotted with him in Europe...hmmm
Not worried about Phil playing in Bobby's room or Aria but, would not rush off to home or hotel suite game with him anytime soon.

Hasu seems to be suggesting the cards themselves were rigged. Superusing or access to HH's wouldn't explain epic rungood.