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02-18-2016 , 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by whatdafeck
Are they going to keep the Ftp software? I think they will be but merging the pool only
Read the link in post #1 for details: http://www.onlinepokerreport.com/196...r-single-site/

The link says "no", it will be one platform to remove the need for parallel development teams & to 'rationalise' staff [redundancies at the Full Tilt Dublin operation]

I assume the GUI [tables & avatars] can & will still look like as per the Full Tilt s/ware, but not the lobbies. I assume there will only be one combined lobby when searching for games, but I could easily be wrong...
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02-18-2016 , 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Burnss
games were redic good at ssnl on ftp due to these changes. Surprised so many regs left. Would often get at least 2 fish per table with many times playing 2-4 handed with one fish/whale. And if you just add a couple of stars it was worthwhile.

i havent had 4 fish on one table in like forvers on stars. happened couple of times on ftp
"A healthy eco system that no one plays is an unhealthy eco system." -Martin Luther King

But anyway, jackpots were probably FTPs current biggest money maker. They probably think all the reg/recs there will just play on stars and they probably will. Having a whole operation for such a small site is probably just not worth it.

RIP FTP

Hard to say if FTP was doomed since reopening or if it was just the people that were running it with their "healthy eco system!" bull****. Given Amayas previous history with running poker sites into the ground, this puts them at 2/3 so far. 3/3 by 2018??
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02-18-2016 , 10:38 AM
How can they keep the brand (ftp) but close the software? The brand is the software.
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02-18-2016 , 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by _Loki_
Read the link in post #1 for details: http://www.onlinepokerreport.com/196...r-single-site/

The link says "no", it will be one platform to remove the need for parallel development teams & to 'rationalise' staff [redundancies at the Full Tilt Dublin operation]

I assume the GUI [tables & avatars] can & will still look like as per the Full Tilt s/ware, but not the lobbies. I assume there will only be one combined lobby when searching for games, but I could easily be wrong...
Do you see the GUI as more of a PS skin then. It would be good to have a better understanding of this as I'd fancy playing on that skin more than the PS7, although that option might not be available to the current PS playerpool. and surely the remaining codebase of FTP is worth something.
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02-18-2016 , 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Lotje
Do you see the GUI as more of a PS skin then. It would be good to have a better understanding of this as I'd fancy playing on that skin more than the PS7, although that option might not be available to the current PS playerpool. and surely the remaining codebase of FTP is worth something.
As I understand it - it's the PS software made to look and feel as much like FT software as reasonably possible.

Last edited by sparky999; 02-18-2016 at 11:24 AM. Reason: I haven't seen or tested the product yet
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02-18-2016 , 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by whatdafeck
How can they keep the brand (ftp) but close the software? The brand is the software.
You simulate the GUI within the PokerStars s/ware. Do you have specific features of appearance or 'actions' or usability in mind that you fear will go missing in a PS simulation?
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02-18-2016 , 12:48 PM
Given up trying to multi quote on phone....

"Post changes the games were better"

Really? My games stopped running. I went from a healthy six plus tables to nothing at all.
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02-18-2016 , 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by sparky999
Player traffic has actually been pretty steady post changes, there was the initial expected drop immediately after changes and then it has been pretty steady since.

Would be interested to know the period the large dip prior to the changes covers? It looks as though the traffic levelled out when it dropped to around 1500 and then actually went up and down a bit before quickly losing over 1/3 of the traffic.
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02-18-2016 , 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by _Loki_
You simulate the GUI within the PokerStars s/ware. Do you have specific features of appearance or 'actions' or usability in mind that you fear will go missing in a PS simulation?
The FTP table layouts can be copied into a skin so there's not much difficulty there. Items such as the avatars, slider, animations (card deal, user actions, etc), and action buttons would require more effort but with the FTP source code at hand not a daunting task.
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02-18-2016 , 02:32 PM
sorry if not the place for it, but whats going to happen to the FTP points? I've got a few accumulated and I don't know what to do with them.

Last edited by Deldar182; 02-18-2016 at 02:32 PM. Reason: Would greatly appreciate any help
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02-18-2016 , 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Deldar182
sorry if not the place for it, but whats going to happen to the FTP points? I've got a few accumulated and I don't know what to do with them.
Converted to Stars coins (You don't lose any $ value in the conversion) -

These will be converted at a rate of 1 StarsCoin per 2.5 Full Tilt Points. Partial Full Tilt Points are converted on a pro-rata basis, rounded to two decimal places.
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02-18-2016 , 02:45 PM
Sparky thanks for spending the time answering players questions. It's obviously a tough hand that you've been dealt. You've handled yourself really well over this period and I hope that another site picks up your services.
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02-18-2016 , 03:17 PM
Sparky is probably about to be invited into Pokerstars Team Online
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02-18-2016 , 05:46 PM
Why even bother running the second skin, why not just migrate all unique players over the FT. Not as if both "skins" have substantial traffic.
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02-18-2016 , 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by coon74
Sparky is probably about to be invited into Pokerstars Team Online
Well,he is working hard on it for sure...
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02-18-2016 , 06:43 PM
We'll be able to play the sunday million on the ftp skin, if i get this right, right ?
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02-18-2016 , 07:34 PM
Are the original Full Tilt steps returning? They were awesome!! had to be deleted due to traffic on site nose diving. Much better than any step system around now. I don't see why not.
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02-19-2016 , 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by gradx
The FTP table layouts can be copied into a skin so there's not much difficulty there. Items such as the avatars, slider, animations (card deal, user actions, etc), and action buttons would require more effort but with the FTP source code at hand not a daunting task.
Full Tilt uses SVG graphics while Stars uses regular scaled PNGs. It's a weeks work to skin Stars to look like Full Tilt. In order to maintain it as a separate site you would need a duplicate back end instance so that the player pools are separate.

I think Amaya could have sold off the Tilt software for at least say $100m. It's not as good as Stars software and Stars has already drained most of the player deposits out of Tilt onto Stars. The only problem with selling it would be the player database which they may not think is worth to sell. Still though, to let the software die must surely be missing value. Why not sell the site and software without the player database for some reduced value?
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02-19-2016 , 12:43 AM
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Originally Posted by MrFan

I think Amaya could have sold off the Tilt software for at least say $100m. It's not as good as Stars software and Stars has already drained most of the player deposits out of Tilt onto Stars. The only problem with selling it would be the player database which they may not think is worth to sell. Still though, to let the software die must surely be missing value. Why not sell the site and software without the player database for some reduced value?
I can think of numerous legal implications in selling the player db without attaching the FTP brand to the sale. As far as the software goes, it's too early to say what their plans for it are but be sure management is exploring the interest of any suitors. Your 100M estimate was at the top end of mine (50-100) which would include the source code, related hardware (RNG system, servers), other licensed software required, and possibly even some human capital. They'd also have to strip out features related to any patents not part of the sale like Rush Poker.
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02-19-2016 , 02:28 AM
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Originally Posted by MrFan
Full Tilt uses SVG graphics while Stars uses regular scaled PNGs. It's a weeks work to skin Stars to look like Full Tilt. In order to maintain it as a separate site you would need a duplicate back end instance so that the player pools are separate.

I think Amaya could have sold off the Tilt software for at least say $100m. It's not as good as Stars software and Stars has already drained most of the player deposits out of Tilt onto Stars. The only problem with selling it would be the player database which they may not think is worth to sell. Still though, to let the software die must surely be missing value. Why not sell the site and software without the player database for some reduced value?
What value? The underlying code is ancient and was formerly used by a site called Jet Set Poker. A young Chris Ferguson was employed by the company doing their software, Blue Horseshoe Development before they filed for bankruptcy.

Chris then went on to build Full Tilt with the help of his friends and made a fortune out of it.
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02-19-2016 , 02:37 AM
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Originally Posted by PokerWikiLeaks
Jet Set Poker
Wow real blast from the past there. Not a site you see mentioned in poker history threads, but I remember it well.

Had no idea Chris Ferguson was involved in it. It was definately still operating when FTP opened as well. Didn't they close owing a decent amount to players?
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02-19-2016 , 02:57 AM
Yes, JSP is closed and still owes its players up to $100k.

Ferguson introduced Bitar & Lederer to BH Development not long after he came on board. The FTP-branded software was ready less than a year later.
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02-19-2016 , 03:03 AM
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Originally Posted by PokerWikiLeaks
The FTP-branded software was ready less than a year later.
Yeah one thing I remember was they got a lot of high volume players to have early accounts and test the software out. The result was of course a great interface.

Sadly for those players as they did not open their accounts through rakeback affiliates they were never eligible for the flat 27%, nor were they ever allowed to close the test accounts and open new ones, they were stuck with nothing
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02-19-2016 , 05:55 AM
what will happen with my coins and ftps ???
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02-19-2016 , 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by HotCosby
what will happen with my coins and ftps ???
Already answered on the FAQ and also in this thread but they will be converted to Stars coins

Coins

These will be converted at a rate of 7 StarsCoin per 1 Coin. Coin progress is converted on a pro-rata basis, rounded to two decimal places.

Full Tilt Points

These will be converted at a rate of 1 StarsCoin per 2.5 Full Tilt Points. Partial Full Tilt Points are converted on a pro-rata basis, rounded to two decimal places.

http://www.fulltilt.com/help/faq/software-update
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