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02-20-2016 , 03:31 PM
Ouch, I'd hate to say goodbye to that feature

Hopefully deal-making is to be retained not only in MTTs but in jackpot SnGs too.
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02-20-2016 , 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by RonaldoVamos
Does this mean that the automated deal making will be removed from FTP?
I haven't asked this specific question but it will almost certainly be however Stars currently do it.
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02-20-2016 , 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by sparky999
I haven't asked this specific question but it will almost certainly be however Stars currently do it.
They dont have automatic deal making. Its out dated call a moderator and wait for numbers to be provided.
This was the best part of FTP
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02-20-2016 , 08:00 PM
Funny my post about full tilt and amaya merging gets closed as the first post about it... and exactly 24 hours after u make all most the exact same thread good old 2 + 2
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02-21-2016 , 07:23 AM
I have a bunch of FTP points.... Around 1k if I was black card.... Which I can't achieve due to work bankroll etc....

Anyone know what happens to the to points??
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02-21-2016 , 07:29 AM
This has been answered above:

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Originally Posted by Deldar182
sorry if not the place for it, but whats going to happen to the FTP points? I've got a few accumulated and I don't know what to do with them.
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Originally Posted by sparky999
Converted to Stars coins (You don't lose any $ value in the conversion) -

These will be converted at a rate of 1 StarsCoin per 2.5 Full Tilt Points. Partial Full Tilt Points are converted on a pro-rata basis, rounded to two decimal places.
As 1 StarsCoin corresponds to $0.01 in most VIP store prices incl. all tourney ticket prices, the conversion rate will be quite competent, though if you can spend the points on tournament tickets prior to the merger, you'll get a slightly better rate, as usual at Full Tilt.
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02-22-2016 , 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr.DjiSamSoe
Does it mean PLO 6 still there,with Stars traffic??Hmm..
Cross-posting this from the Internet Poker thread as I've had a growing number of people ask me about PLO6.

'' I've had confirmation that PLO6 is not going to be available at the 'launch' of the merger. The best advice I can give you is to, for want of a better phrase, 'kick up a bit of a fuss' in the Stars feedback threads on 2+2 so they can see there is real demand for the offering. It's likely too late to get it included for the launch but if enough people show they want it to Stars I see no reason why it wouldn't be put on the development list. ''
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02-22-2016 , 10:04 AM
I have self-excluded myself on FullTilt Poker for a limited amount of time. However I have regularly played on Pokerstars and intend to do so for the future (no self-exclusion on Pokerstars).

If I´m reading the FAQ correctly I will be banned from playing on Stars in April because the FullTilt self-exclusion will be applied to my Stars ID?

If this is really the case the merger will prevent me from playing on Stars even if I never intended to do so.
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02-22-2016 , 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by halcyon229
I have self-excluded myself on FullTilt Poker for a limited amount of time. However I have regularly played on Pokerstars and intend to do so for the future (no self-exclusion on Pokerstars).

If I´m reading the FAQ correctly I will be banned from playing on Stars in April because the FullTilt self-exclusion will be applied to my Stars ID?

If this is really the case the merger will prevent me from playing on Stars even if I never intended to do so.
You are correct - until the self-exclusion period is over you will be unable to play on FT or Stars after the merger. It's unfortunate and you are not the only one in this position but that is how it will be due to their duty to provide responsible gaming as an operator.
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02-22-2016 , 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by sparky999
You are correct - until the self-exclusion period is over you will be unable to play on FT or Stars after the merger. It's unfortunate and you are not the only one in this position but that is how it will be due to their duty to provide responsible gaming as an operator.
God that's got to be heartbreaking for those players. Ul guys.
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02-22-2016 , 11:17 AM
They are so full of **** on so many things and this is probably another one that they could get round if they could be arsed.

One recent example (out of many). Stars says if I delete my skrill account then I'll never ever ever be able to add it again in future due to the gambling regulations.

Yet party, 888 and others, who are regulated by the exact same people, delete my skrill account automatically after six months.

Amaya have turned Stars into scumbags.
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02-22-2016 , 11:27 AM
Party, 888 and others are not regulated by the Isle of Man.
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02-22-2016 , 11:33 AM
Isn't there one set of regulations that gambling sites who operate in the UK have to agree to?
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02-22-2016 , 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by MMD
Isn't there one set of regulations that gambling sites who operate in the UK have to agree to?
All sites who operate in the UK must have a UK licence and abide by UK Regulations yeah.

However what licence they have exactly might vary from site to site.

Amaya are scumbags I agree, they treat players only as targets with money.
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02-22-2016 , 11:52 AM
Yeah amaya is full of ****. Cancelling promos like the casino vault which was basically free money promised by stars right on the date of deposit, delete hu cash games, delete freerolls, delete sne...whats next? All in the players best interest hmm? I wont play there in the near future. Stars basically lost my trust in them since amaya is here. Those are shady dudes...
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02-22-2016 , 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Setup_exe
Yeah amaya is full of ****. Cancelling promos like the casino vault which was basically free money promised by stars right on the date of deposit, delete hu cash games, delete freerolls, delete sne...whats next? All in the players best interest hmm? I wont play there in the near future. Stars basically lost my trust in them since amaya is here. Those are shady dudes...
Businesses think long-term and perhaps you should too. While some of these measures are dubious, Amaya can be more profitable by promoting a rec friendly environment where new players can have a more enjoyable and successful experience rather than catering to pros and degenerates. If you were management and had the surveys and statistical backing to increase your revenue at the expense of a small number of professionals you'd be mistaken. So quit your whining and adjust or take your business elsewhere
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02-22-2016 , 12:09 PM
All of PS' free/play-money MTT offerings went downhill long ago. They used to have some fun play-money tournaments with decent structures and large fields, even for <1k chip buy-ins. Now everything is turbo or faster, registration is only open for a few minutes (usually), the fields are tiny, and you need tens of thousands of chips to register.
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02-22-2016 , 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by sparky999
I'm not sure if you misunderstood Lee or he miss-spoke as I haven't seen the stream you're referring to but what is happening is FT are essentially making a skin of the Stars platform. Replacing all graphics with FT branded ones, Zoom will be called Rush, spin and goes will be called Jackpot SnG etc but all animations and game play will be done the way Pokerstars do it using the Pokerstars software NOT the FT software designed to work alongside Pokerstars back-end.

Sorry for the slow response but had to clarify this before I posted in case I had misunderstood or plans had changed since I last spoke to FT about them.
Sounds like he is just wrong. I don't think there can be much to misunderstand in what he said. He was outright asked is it going to be a skin of pokerstars and he said no. He described what a skin is for anybody that doesn't know, basically saying a skin only has cosmetic differences. He said this will be much more than that.
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02-22-2016 , 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by sparky999
I'm not sure if you misunderstood Lee or he miss-spoke as I haven't seen the stream you're referring to but what is happening is FT are essentially making a skin of the Stars platform. Replacing all graphics with FT branded ones, Zoom will be called Rush, spin and goes will be called Jackpot SnG etc but all animations and game play will be done the way Pokerstars do it using the Pokerstars software NOT the FT software designed to work alongside Pokerstars back-end.

Sorry for the slow response but had to clarify this before I posted in case I had misunderstood or plans had changed since I last spoke to FT about them.
in the faq on the fulltilt website stands, that they keep the avatars and software from fulltilt...if they indeed remove how possible is it, that someone will buy it?

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02-22-2016 , 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by gradx
Businesses think long-term and perhaps you should too. While some of these measures are dubious, Amaya can be more profitable by promoting a rec friendly environment where new players can have a more enjoyable and successful experience rather than catering to pros and degenerates. If you were management and had the surveys and statistical backing to increase your revenue at the expense of a small number of professionals you'd be mistaken. So quit your whining and adjust or take your business elsewhere
lol ok amaya shill...
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02-22-2016 , 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by gradx
Businesses think long-term
Some think long term, but plenty think short term.

Amaya's history prior to PokerStars was buying online gaming companies, ripping all the value out of them then moving onto the next. Extremely short term.
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02-22-2016 , 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by gradx
Businesses think long-term and perhaps you should too. While some of these measures are dubious, Amaya can be more profitable by promoting a rec friendly environment where new players can have a more enjoyable and successful experience rather than catering to pros and degenerates. If you were management and had the surveys and statistical backing to increase your revenue at the expense of a small number of professionals you'd be mistaken. So quit your whining and adjust or take your business elsewhere
Businesses, governing bodies, 3rd parties, and especially shareholder driven entities are absolutely notorious for having short sighted policies. It's been explained many times, but the problem is in a field full of ignorance the popular opinion is not so likely to be the logic that leads to be a sustainable environment. "Catering to recs" sounds good in theory and as a slogan, but the reality of the situation is far from a seed that will grow into a "sustainable ecosystem".

Not listening to the professionals and posting on a forum about how professionals are dumb and don't care about recs and a sustainable game is something only an ignorant player/person would do.

The brightest and best players will, more often than not, be the players with the intelligence, creativity, and foresight needed to come up with policies that can adapt properly and foster growth.

The idea that there is a poster that has something intelligent to profess in regard to all the "butt hurt regs" is simply something that gets passed around because the communities are full of breakeven to losing players. There are no butt hurt regs that are justly being abused in this situation. There are intelligent players that see negative changes being made and 2 valuable brands being destroyed, and then there is ignorance.

Those are the two categories of player archetypes in this regard.

Lastly you cannot adjust to a game that is over raked (not in the way of playing your cards better). Only a player with less than the average knowledge on game theory would suggest something so nonsensical.
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02-22-2016 , 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Mrtrebus
Sounds like he is just wrong. I don't think there can be much to misunderstand in what he said. He was outright asked is it going to be a skin of pokerstars and he said no. He described what a skin is for anybody that doesn't know, basically saying a skin only has cosmetic differences. He said this will be much more than that.
I don't really know what to say to this - I'm reluctant to say Lee is wrong but if somebody asked me what a skin is I would say it's the same software branded by different companies that share liquidity and that is what is happening so . . .

There may be bigger long term plans I am unaware of but I can't think of a better descriptor based on what I've been told than 'a skin'.
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02-23-2016 , 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by sparky999
You are correct - until the self-exclusion period is over you will be unable to play on FT or Stars after the merger. It's unfortunate and you are not the only one in this position but that is how it will be due to their duty to provide responsible gaming as an operator.
That's a laugh, they rely on irresponsible gaming, if they were serious about it then they would prevent people who 'bink' something from immediately jumping to higher levels. It takes customers themselves to the responsibility.

Its lip service.

I look forward to the crash and burn of the entire brand.
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02-23-2016 , 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by gradx
Businesses think long-term and perhaps you should too. While some of these measures are dubious, Amaya can be more profitable by promoting a rec friendly environment where new players can have a more enjoyable and successful experience rather than catering to pros and degenerates. If you were management and had the surveys and statistical backing to increase your revenue at the expense of a small number of professionals you'd be mistaken. So quit your whining and adjust or take your business elsewhere
Just because you say something, it doesn't mate it true. Amaya has created an environment far more harsh to recreational players where the average skill level at the tables is rising substantially thanks to their changes and the rec has an ever decreasing chance of winning.
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