sigh, i'm a loser and looked it up. page 428 in Super System I. Moss isn't even mentioned.

I don't go it alone when I play online. But even in Greenstein's book they had a group effort going.

he is in SSII iirc

he's in SSI, just not in this particular hand.

I heard this story about Moss and Doyle on ESPN, they did the little segment about the best hand i ever played a couple summers ago. Some other sick stories like Barry mucking the top house and the other guy showing quads and Farha mucking quads in Omaha and the other guy showing SF.

hope you get a venerial disease you pos

If you're playing on Stars, so much for their ballyhooed collusion detection security team.

If more of this stuff comes out, then we will all know why more players are shortstacking online.

OP, you know they also all carried guns back then. Often placed them out on the table.

And people got robbed. And shot.

And the locals were certainly cheating, soft-playing, fake-shuffling, bottom-dealing, cold-decking, marked-decking, peepholing, etc. etc.

And poker was illegal.

So you had to find the game... beat the (probably rigged) game... and get out with the money, avoiding the cops, the robbers, and the hustlers.

Doyle's OK in my book. Even if he LOL "colluded".

Yes they are so naive.

They hide behind their computer screens and don't realize there is a whole world of corruption going on right under their noses.

I still believe it's just a matter of time before online gaming gets cracked big.

Too much money for the taking.

I was going to make a similar comment, np. Considering in those days you could be beat up, robbed, and or/shot & buried in the desert with no one the wiser, I'm sure Doyle & Co. did their best to ensure there wasn't even the slightest hint of collusion in their play.

That's my point. They wouldn't need to actually collude.

I'm agreeing; I was trying to say they would play super "straight up" because the accusation of collusion could be fatal. Didn't flesh out my argument enough.

There was no need. He had to play all the hands and got tired. They could continually send in fresh players with different styles and had people sweating the table to look for his tendencies.

This is a pretty sad statement, good luck in life.

Thanks, I don't need luck in life I have skill.

Online poker is another thing btw I played it straight until I learned everybody else was on the phone with their buddies hell even Greenstein admitted he was on the phone with Ivey when they played online.- that's why most of my play is live- and if three asians are at the table I don't know I won't play- am I a bigot? maybe but when you are out in the parking lot and see them all drive in from Houston together and then come into the poker room in a staggered rotation you learn pretty quick what's going on.

I don't think it's automatically cheating for 3 people to play out of the same roll. It doesn't matter where the money goes after the game. It doesn't effect the other's ability to win some of it from the 3. If the 3 didn't soft play eachother, that's all that matters. If a squeeze play is used against a fish, that's just poker and no different than a fish putting the squeeze play on Slim, Sailor, or Doyle.

We have a regular home game where there are a few pillars and 99% of the newcomers are eaten alive. We don't collude. Granted we know how each other plays and I don't give the solid rocks as much action as I give the fish. That's just poker.

Johnny Hughes was one of the very few that came to our game and left with fatter pockets. He was careful to pick his spots just like a solid poker player should.

why do you need to collude while you play online you f'ing pos?

Ivey and greenstein were playing each other hu. The story is that ivey over calls his hand "by accident" when he bets the river.

dude i think your taking that out of context. barry metnioned this on HSP onetime but was talking about playing ivey H/U on FTP and talkin on the phone at the same time.... they were playing eachother, not colluding against others. geeez.

It's fun- I only play with play money online. I get on the phone with my bro and we have a good time esp during play money tourneys- our favorite play is to set limp with AA or KK and then the other pump it when a few guys call and then put in the big re-raise- BINGO BANGO.

it`s stupid thats for sure.

This thread sucks, I hate cheaters. Not Doyle, ect. because I never played during that era. **** I've played close to a million hands of poker and only been to Vegas once and Tunica twice. No casinos in my home state. ***** cheaters.

Who is "everbody else" you speak of? You must know alot of online poker players personaly that would give you this kind of information.

Great point.
Another point was that young people were naive.
How about all of the pompous casino insiders like dealers having no idea about players looking for an edge, paying attention and knowing the rules.
They want to protect the nits and tourists and new players and make sure the game is enjoyable? Enjoyable?
Let's just play, we are not at summer camp.