In the words of wesley snipes "some people smoke, and some people get smoked...and you got smooooked"

Such a gross angle by the local guy, for sure if he wouldnt hit an A he wouldnt enforce the casino rule for RIT main pot.
If there is a casino rule but ther parties involved in the hand agreed on RIT for the main pot, is that not valid? Casino still collects rake and players stand by their agreement. Having said that i dont see why the floor couldnt backup his dealer and rule on your favour. Sux his approach to the issue 100% imho.

Infuriating and Gross

some of those casino rules people have posted are mindblowingly stupid

Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead.

Should have read the T&C's before clicking that run it twice box.

This is a clever and contributory post, thank you for your insight.

Am I supposed to feel bad? If you play live, that's what happens.

its the dealer's fault for not communicating the rule to u b4 the runout

if true about it being a govt rule, then once it got to the higher ups their hands really r tied and they have to follow the book, angle or not. the cases of not following the rule r usually w lower level staff

casinos r deadly serious about adhering to gambling commission rules, otherwise they risk fines and possible license suspension for multiple infractions

is there some yearly award for stupidest post that so many ppl are trying to win?

oh, sure, you can play against a bot or whatever. but at least you dont lose 18K euro on stupid mistakes like not knowing the local casino rules, dealer mistakes, angle shooting or whatever.

Yes theres this emotion called sympathy that some humans experience in regards to unfortunate events happening to others who dont deserve it.

I rarely play at casino where one can run it twice, is there a thread that I can read to the advantages/ disadvantages of running it twice if not can someone inform me

I'm surprised RIT is even allowed in Casinos tbh. Didn't the trend of RIT start after High Stake Poker on TV which did a lot of RIT? Those were considered private games btw, regardless of which Casino paid sponsorship money to be the pretend host with their name on the felt.

But yeah, assuming the Spaniard 100% understood and agreed to RIT, it was a dirty sick angle he played knowing he could keep appealing up the management ladder until someone would eventually rule in his favor.

I've played a lot of 5-10 and 10-20 plo casino barcelona (higher during festivals), and know how things work there more or less.

You are foreign and will be ruled against in situations like this. You are visiting, and it is up to you to know the rules of the venue. You shouldn't be running it twice here without knowing the rules for sure.

The ruling is absolutely correct from the floor, you got cheated out of absolutely nothing. This has been the rule for a while. Not only that, it's a rule consistent with most other places. In my opinion, you shouldn't be allowed to run it twice on the outside at all. This is not fair to the other players.

Sorry you got wound up over it. This is why running it twice is bad for the game. Play stakes half the size if you have a problem with the variance.


Nobody shot an angle. Sweet lord jesus.

Secondly, the rule on 2+2 has been not to dox people. You are a mod, you know better. It's potentially libel in this case.

It's poker, and with three languages involved. Why would you expect someone who probably doesn't speak English to speak up about it?

How was the dealers english??

IMO the dealer should have prevented this happening.

The second he allowed this to knowingly occur it should be binding.

With that said foreign country and if it is legal to run for the side pot twice and the dealers english is so bad that this is what he thought you were doing i can see how this could fly.

I personally think this situation is bull**** just trying to be objective

People saying he should just photograph them and get banned from the casino - presumably in that case he can't play the EPT events there either.

Is there anywhere where these house rules are written down on the casino website?

you reduce variance.
it has no effect on your EV.

there is absolutely nothing else to it don't believe anyone who tries to tell you nonsense like "you should only do it when ur ahead/behind"

wow.

in a forum full of ******ed posts this may be the stupidest of all time.

Sounds to me like old Spanish guy needs a good beat down to teach him some manners.

Please tell me that your only goal with this post is to make people even more pissed (at you and the casino) ?

Did you read what Ansky wrote? I fully am aware the Catalonian players can be scummy, but this isn't one of those times.

He didn't know the rules, and then whines that he got cheated. He didn't get cheated out of anything. He learned to either learn the local rules (and some of the language), or have this happen. This is the way poker is. When you are on the road, there are precautions to take.

I didn't bother calling Juha out, and I find it fascinating Ansky thinks he is going to lend any sort of credibility to his argument. That's the bigger joke, but of course nobody here will understand why.

Casino Barcelona is generally well run with some caveats. They are not out to cheat people, and will explain rules if asked. Ansky didn't mention in his story calling a floor over when there was a confusion, he just assumed he speaks English and everyone magically understands every intention of his.

It sounds like this is a regular occurrence, with agreements made at the table that are later overturned by management. So Spanish speaking locals are basically free rolling when agreements like this are made. I don't understand why the dealers - who must see this often - do not clearly state the official house rules and force players to abide by them.

I've played in that casino, albeit at lower stakes, and language issues were a huge problem. There were Spanish, French, Italian, British, Asian etc. people at the table, with Spanish and English being the allowed languages. But it was a mess trying to follow what was going on.

I grant you it can't be easy to be a dealer at that casino, but still, a lot of these issues could be avoided if the communication between dealers and players was better. And of course that includes dealers clearly stating house rules when players try to run it multiple times in a 3-way pot.

They have the rules written down at the casino if you ask for them. Everything is very much a system in Spain. They love rules and procedure more than in the US.

The greatest thing the casino could be guilty of is bad service during the EPT. I don't ever bother going anymore during this time as it is such a zoo.

The agreement was in contravention of the published rules. A rule that could have been figured out by asking the casino for a copy before even arriving by email.

Airline pilots read NOTAMs and approach plates before going somewhere, in addition to asking ahead for conditions. Businessmen going abroad to setup shop hire lawyers, translators, and accountants to navigate the complexities. Should a poker player be exempt from a little due diligence?

Even if this guy did this intentionally, knowing the rules is not angle shooting. Trying to make agreements that are not legal or unenforceable is angle shooting, even if it was all unintentional.

Edit: Here is an example from a golf tournament. Guy wins a qualifier, but was wearing metal spikes that were banned by the club some years ago. The bubble boy reports this to the tournament director who then disqualifies the medalist. Is that angle shooting? He could have told the guy before the tournament it wasn't allowed, but maybe he just didn't see him. Or maybe he saw him, and knew it was a freeroll not saying anything then.

Man this really what a dirty ****** angle. Unfortunately the only thing you can really do now is try and out this guy so people who play with him in the future will be prepared. Since this is apparently a casino rule and the floor clearly sided with him in this situation (despite the whole table being agianst) there is really nothing you can do. So fcked up.