it doesnt make sense that cereus would just give up now. i dont see any reason why they wont be able to keep doing exactly what they have been doing for months. is there anything that has changed that allows the DOIJ to touch these guys and their business operations besides taking the dot com and scaring some of their processors? there are plenty of processors out there to use that the DOIJ cant touch and that the DOIJ already considers enemies of the state.

i just dont see the logic in why cereus would give up now. well unless they were able to confiscate 10s of millions which is very very unlikely. cereus would have been smart enough to keep money where the DOIJ cant touch it.

http://www.thenuts.com/news/absolute...-players-1114/

Not looking good.

old link

I have a premium bank wire which was processed on 4-11, but have not received it yet. I'm in NY.

use dot net not dot com, also here is a phone number i used to use, im sure it still works. 1.866.788.3005

Any other USA players have a premium bank wire that they either a) received or b) are waiting on?

I have one that was processed on the 15th. Who knows when i'll get that

That's the thing. I don't think anyone really knows how much money is frozen. They did freeze about 75 bank accounts b/t the 3 sites. It could be a lot.
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"About 76 bank accounts in 14 countries have been frozen, preventing players from accessing balances held by the online betting companies, said Kelly Langmesser, a spokeswoman for the FBI's New York office. Eleven people were charged last week."

“These funds are currently being reviewed by the U.S. as part of an ongoing criminal investigation, and we are looking at the funds and accounts to determine if they are the profits of an illegal enterprise,” Langmesser said. “The funds won't be available until a determination has been made.”

Read more: http://www.dailyherald.com/article/2...#ixzz1K0SPthLF

Yes, 4/14 processed; still waiting on...very curious to see if you get yours in the next couple days

I have issues with this part of your argument.

I was missing the option to withdraw by bank account. Anyone else?

ha i see what u did there. but cereusly we all know they werent keeping their funds in places the US govt can get. trust me i dont care how dumb u think these multi millionaires are step 1 of their biz model was to choose banks they cant touch. LDO

oh boy. miniscule postcount and very ironic screenname in light of the possibility that he's shilling.

Going Off withdrawal methods or is it my imagination?

i just dont believe cereus would leave any substantial money in an acct that the DOJ has jurisdiction over, doesnt make any sense.

at the very least, by not kicking US players out yet, like the other two did, it shows that the US govt didnt get a huge chunk of their money. because if the US Govt had gotten a huge chunk of their money im guessin they would be playing ball rt now like the rest of the poker rooms who sold out to the US Gestapo

and the reason we know for certain that Cereus hasnt decided to play ball with the US Govt yet, is because we are still able to log in and play poker.

Just got off phone with VIP support. I've been talking to other reps via vip chat regularly (Bill, Fabio, Rebecca, Sydney) since April 15th.
They stated that my bank transfer (processed 4-11-2011) may or may not hit my bank account which is due in 5-7 business days. If it does not (which I will know by Thursday evening), I will have to revert these processed funds back to pending status until UB/AP give the green light. We're really just waiting for UB/AP to release their official statement from their legal dept so that all deposits,withdrawals, and transfers are re-enabled at least for the short term.

I would disregard non-UB/AP players stating their opinions on the site. If you're a UB/AP player and a winner on the site, you know that your cashouts have been at par or been faster (bank transfers, premium bank wires) than PS or FT this year.

I think the question is are there actually banks the US can't touch anymore? My own guess is there aren't many which can handle the dollar volume in question. Swiss banking is not any kind of protection vehicle against US determined criminal behavior. Using offshore entities radically changed after Enron, we have no idea how much has been seized.

More important is the site won't take new signups or deposits, something which could be easily effectuated via Western Union and cutouts in Manila or wherever. Maybe they believe they have a few days to let things settle down and they will come roaring back, but it doesn't feel that way. People behind the company successfully cheated players for years, then used a shareholder pool to repay allowing the actual cheating benefactors to keep their proceeds. They followed that up by defaulting on a $100M pair of promissory notes. The rumors are they may have done something similar with a $250M note behind AP. Now, the choices are to carry on with a limited shelf life (US legislation is coming one way or the other) or walk. It can't be clear cut.

Logging in to play poker only converts dollar signs into rake. Cashout, deposit or signup options are far more indicative of the situation than player login capability. And they can't "play ball" because they are guilty of all the charges unlike Tilt/Stars which only served poker.

Disappear withdrawal methods.

yes i agree there are way way less than there used to be. but the only way this could be true is if there wasnt a single country left on earth that hasnt sold their soul to the us govt/NWO. that just cant be possible. i know the US is unbelievably good at "teaming" up with other countries but they cant have deals with all of them. they probably control almost all of them via some form of leverage, but gotta be a couple dozen left willing to take "dirty" money

just thought of something for those of us who have rakeback and grind low to mid limits and currently have a small roll on AP/UB. there is one way to get a small % of our money off AP/UB while they decide what to do.

it isnt a great option but grind ring games like crazy and play break even + poker and your rakeback acct will grow. dont forget to change your rakeback payout option to paypal or something else.

Your right, Antigua is a country quite willing to buck the system. The problem isn't finding islands, its connecting to the network. Take the Phillippines example. They get several million in US deposits but can't send the money anywhere because the US controls the financial networks. So, Tom and Tatum get on a small jet (sound familiar?) and hand carry the proceeds to a safe haven bank while they try and figure out how to game the system in the "new world" post-4/15.

Maybe they have decided that is too much work and US players aren't going anywhere, the lawyers and accountants instead try to find a creative electronic alternative and have advised management not to take in new money from US players and to be extremely judicious on payouts to preserve liquidity. It could work in the current environment and if successful, they may enjoy a couple years of run n gun operations under prohibition. Only time will tell though I probably would bet the under.

enjoy your posts elevengrover, great points, u obviously know what you are talking about.

quick question for u whats your top 2 or 3 most likely scenarios for cereus?

given their past behavior, im thinking the top 2 most likely are both all or nothing and a 3rd option is very unlikely:

1) stay in biz, new processors only thing that changes is us govt is more aggro at shutting down processors.

2) take all our money and run out of US Market or the entire market depending on # of foreign customers

I immediately guessed option 1 over the weekend. Outlaws gotta outlaw. But now, with the way things are playing out, I'm heavily leaning towards option 2. The founders and senior management have to be concerned with wealth protection and personal assets built up over the years. In their view, they have swam through a river of **** to get there. If the DoJ found and locked up $50M, that means there is still $450M they can look for. If there are settlement negotiations, it's most likely about protecting the stuff not yet seized in exchange for abandonment.

Personally, I hope they stay. It won't be nearly as much fun solving the original mystery if all those dudes are doing boat drinks. I also thought Wicked Chops had a very good point in suggesting this is an enormous opportunity for MGM/Harrahs which they need to take advantage of.

I doubt there will be any non-US player that will want to play there. I started playing poker long after the hole superuser,etc. fiasco and I thought that it just the past. They had live chat, vip telephone, etc. reasonable cashouts. Now they lost what is most important-TRUST. I think that they know that so they just do their last money grab before they will definitely shut down. It has been almost a week now and they didn't process a single cashout since then.
I wish I listen to ElevenGrover and other 2+2 users before. Now it just looks that It was ridiculously expensive lesson I had to pay for.

Will they still have lost trust if they open cashouts before FTP and PS?