Townsend comes across an amazing bumhunter in his 2nd most recent NLHE vid I believe it is. The bumhunter sits at the exact moment a fish sits, sits directly on the fish's left, buys in just enough to cover the fish, and as soon as the fish busts, the bumhunter doesn't even take his free deals, he INSTA-stands and leaves. Now THAT'S a bumhunter.

the whole bumhunter thing is hilarious and i hope it sticks around. hopefully as a hated live player my opinion will cause people to do the opposite of what i say on this subject.

truth is: every working pro on the planet is a bumhunter. before the term existed wayyyyy back in like uuuhhhh the ninety's this had a different name: smart poker.

completely worthless thread, why do people respond to such an op?

If you like money, bumhunt all you want. I don't bumhunt but I think it's fine. I play poker to make money. If I can maximize that by having the ability to select whom I play against, they by all means I say do it. When poker runs dry, I'd rather be richer from bumhunting than be way less rich but know I didn't maximize my edge.

Poker is full of variables. People hit and run be all day. I can't stop that. It's not a perfect game. Where one person takes advantage of one variable, I might as well as take advantage of another. The point is that while your not doing it, someone else is. We play for money so we might as well maximize it. Who cares if we sit out soon as a fish does. Fish don't care about that. When one fish leaves, another comes around. Don't let some stupid internet reputation stop you from maximizing your potential.

A little common sense says that either extreme is bad. Giving action to get action, being willing to start games and keep games going, and playing in tough games to improve are all good things to do, in moderation. Snapping up the seat next to the fish, having a fish list, sitting out of game you're a dog in, refusing action to some people are all good poker skills as well.

Obviously when the answer is a shade of gray and everyone feels the need to make it black or white people will end up yelling past each other.

worst post ever. \

I know LA is accused of acting like he's above the fray at times but if someone else is guilty of this it also has to be Aejones. Does LA have a point in the above quote? Is this hypocritical or is it expected for Aejones to change his opinion as soon as it is advantageous? Discuss.

Unless you work for him amirite?

ok I don't get the reason a bumhunter would leave the minute the fish busts. Assuming they don't have a bunch of tables going since they are bumhunting, even just folding everything but aces and open jamming those preflop would be more profitable than leaving before the blinds hit you.

I like where this is going

So what's the symbology there?

1st thing LA has ever said I agree with- not the part about "bumhunting", the part about how ridiculous it is that AE was a huge basher but now defends boywonder

the difference being that if you troll 6-handed, 8-handed, and 9-handed games
[like I do] you accept and assume a certain amount of risk. That big stack to your right might be awesome, or on a heater, or just bought in for a lot and is either tilting or spewing.



Bonk...Meow Tse-Tung?

I don't normally take the time to respond or care about LA, all I will say is that the distinctions I make are that:

1. BW's poker video was good, which tells me he is actually thinking about hand ranges instead of simply narrating the action, if you haven't seen it you can't comment on that.

2. LA, as far as everyone who has played with him is concerned, is excruciatingly mind-bogglingly tight, such a tightness that is not good for the games, I do not believe that BW is nearly that nitty.

3. LA used to mutli-table and purely shortstack, as far as I know BW has never just loaded up 12 tables with 20 bbs and jammed over opens.

4. As far as I know BW does not sit out the EXACT hand that the fish does, which I know LA does (or did for a relevant period of time in his poker career).

Additionally, BW told me that 6 months ago or a year ago or whatever when he started playing he had no idea about game selecting and would just play all tables against all regs (this was prior to him even using a HUD). I don't know what that has to do with anything, but I can't imagine you can win at the rate that he does while not having an edge over the regs. I would think LA's winrate in his last 500k hands is 1/3 that or less, which would suggest that his advantage over the regs is nonexistent. I don't have a lot to go with on BW's game except results, his ability to explain himself in his video(s) that I've seen, and one person's comment who was an ipoker reg and had a note on him that said he was "very smart and creative." The first two things are enough for me to decide he's an asset to my training site.

I retract the statement I made about 50k hands a month, that is clearly wrong, I just have NO idea about volume-- last month I think I played 20k hands and that was probably my highest volume month in the last 2 years!

I'm not really sure what LA is trying to get from me. We are clearly completely different people, but he attacks me personally frequently and doesn't attack my poker game. I attack his poker game and never him personally since he could fly to Vegas on a private jet and attend exclusive parties with the hottest women in the world on a moment's notice, and I'm more comfortable discussing poker on a poker forum.

Since this will be my only post in the thread (unless there is a blatant fact that needs correcting), I will just say that I'm hardly known as a hypocrite and I stick by my guns. Additionally I am out to do what is best for my poker training website: That is first that I think BW is an asset to it because of his current and future ability to teach poker and second that while I do not personally do the things that he does, I have judged them to be less detrimental to the game than what LA does.

If you guys cannot see the differences, I guess we are just on different sides of a very gray line.

This is clearly the best post in the thread.

The rest of your post seemed OK, but your lead-in is obviously patently false. You have allowed yourself to get trolled by LA many times.

i can no longer read this thread as there are to many winning regs posting in it.

At least Isildur1 doesn't bumhunt, phew!

lol!! greatness

Cliffnotes:

1, AEJones mocked Leather for being ginger
2, AEJones gets new friend in transfer student who is ginger
3, Leather is upset AEJones is now defending his friend for being ginger
4, The reality is Leather is just a tool and him being ginger was as good a reason to mock him as any other
5, In evidence of Leather's toolishness he will be printing out this qq filled blog and pass it around class tomorrow with a crudely drawn picture of a stick figure crying whilst pissing into a bottle with notes about how his friend is less ginger than Leather

Why does L.A think aejones bashes him because he is a competitor at another training site, aejones is friends with a bunch of coaches on competing websites. The argument makes no sens

I have zero issue with leatherass game, i think he is a fine player and i applaud that he is capable of consistently making money year after year. The issue i do have with him is his ridiculous ego, and is ridiculous statements that come with it. Kinda like when he stated he can hook up with random girls at will because he his a millionaire just like tiger woods and how he think everyone is jealous of him, and people who makes 50 cents a hand compared to his 1$ a hand are not as good as him. He just comes off bad in public. But i salute him for all the poker success hes had.

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This.


And I also think what Taylor mentioned is pretty spot on. Now days, more so than ever before, edges online are declining. Therefore variables such as table selecting, emotional control, knowing when to quit, etc become important to your winrate. If you're not doing these things, which many classify as bumhunting to an extent, then someone else is and it's very likely they're making more money then you are because they're playing weaker competition.

So can we finally call Jesse Jackson and have a funeral for the B-word?

And Does LA now get an apology from those who used it against him all this time or is that going to be withheld out of spite? It's clear now that the general consensus has vindicated him. Or has it? Discuss.

yawn