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01-22-2017 , 08:44 AM
A+ tweeting, bot is an absolute savage
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01-22-2017 , 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by fluorescenthippo
Wow this variance stuff isn't that hard guys.

All in equity splits reduces variance ON AVERAGE.

Mirror hands reduces variance ON AVERAGE.

Are there one off situations where this isn't true? OBVIOUSLY

Do equity splits and mirror hands reduce variance overall? OF COURSE
does not splitting equity reduce the variance at the end of saying who has skill edge?

in other words i think in a mirror hand situation if you only could chose that you have the data of net won or EV won. in a mirror situation Net won will give you better data to jugde with player/bot has a skill edge.

If the bot match before this one was played with running out instead of chop it would be less likely a statistical tie (if we assume humans had a skill edge there)
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01-22-2017 , 01:01 PM
We need Dnegs and phil hellmuth to take on the bot
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01-22-2017 , 01:23 PM
talk about rubbing salt in the wounds...
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01-22-2017 , 01:42 PM
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01-22-2017 , 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by vrael111
We need Dnegs and phil hellmuth to take on the bot
Imagine if they go there and beat it hahaha
it would be really fun to see that bot losing to worse players LOL

the HU team would be so sad.
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01-22-2017 , 03:32 PM
add moneymaker to the team and GG
lol
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01-22-2017 , 04:15 PM
Tuning in for the first time watching this Jason guy play. He's talking to people about some weird ****. Why the **** is he having conversations with people when he's 2 tabling the bot? I tell my kids to get the hell upstairs when I'm 1 tabling someone. Clearly not focusing as much as a great player should. Lol.. now he's on his phone texting someone. What a joke.

He also talks a bit like Jungleman. Guys tilting hard about how they won last time and yadda yadda yadda.. weirdo. Think he needs to take a bit less addy.
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01-22-2017 , 04:23 PM
Human opponents don't tank every single hand. Give him a break.
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01-22-2017 , 04:29 PM
Not having a hud is kind of dumb. Surely the computer has to be adjusting to the opponent in some manner right? Or is it just playing it's own cards?

Like, if you open shove 10 times in a row, is it more likely to call with a weaker hand.
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01-22-2017 , 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by vrael111
We need Dnegs and phil hellmuth to take on the bot
"Give me two weeks to study and i'll crush this bot just like those bad NL5k regs"

- Daniel Negreanu
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01-22-2017 , 05:54 PM
wow... and aw what happened to the hands?
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01-22-2017 , 06:10 PM
There needs to be time constraints or something. Humans biggest disadvantage are emotions. Playing against a tanking computer for hours on end has to be soo tilting. Humans should get to tilt the computer by saying it has 15 seconds to make a decision.
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01-22-2017 , 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by swc123
FWIW that was me (GTORB creator not Pio) and I wasn't serious about the challenge. I thought that he was claiming that GTO solvers don't do what they say they do (it seemed that way to me at least) as he was speaking very negatively about Pio on reddit while trying to market his own product as an alternative. He said Pio was "basically terrible" without much detail as to why and I thought he meant he didn't believe the solution output was correct within the given bet sizing abstraction.

I said, "if you don't believe that GTO solver algorithms work then surely you would take this challenge" and he replied as the poster above stated. I meant it as a rhetorical device just to point out that if anyone really thinks that GTO solver's results are mathematically inaccurate as presented that they should then be willing to take on such a challenge. I did not mean it as a serious challenge that any sane person would agree to.

I then asked him if he'd play 20bb cap vs a GTO bot if I made one (which is a real game that people play for money) and he never responded. Thread is here: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/16...64/index3.html

This is a quote from his post on reddit and then another user brought it up on 2p2 which sparked the discussion:

"I think PioSolver is basically terrible. I don't know what the high stakes six max players are using, and I'm not claiming to be one of the top players in those games. But what I can say is that the players in HU that use this type of software to play, end up playing horrific post flop."

This was in a thread where he was marketing his own preflop software that is not GTO based.
A late response but:

What I find interesting here is that I have been coached by member's of Doug's crew since late 2011 and I am familiar with the strategy. When I started looking at Piosolver, I was amazed at how similar our strategy and Pio's strategy(ies) are. Evil Empire jumped far ahead of the pack in arriving at optimal play long before solvers by simply doing a lot of hard work in the lab.

The obvious differences I see (without getting into too much detail) are in polarization methods and simply using combos for randomization rather than pio's pure frequency methods which are not possible to use if you are a mere human.

I think Doug's opinion of the solvers has some merit, but he is mostly incorrect. Human using solver to combat human will win, as is becoming evident by nightly human input to Libratus which has had tremendous results so far.
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01-22-2017 , 08:38 PM
Haven't kept track of today but it seems like another smash by Libratus, right? This thing is over. No way that the humans will keep playing even their C game at this point.
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01-22-2017 , 08:47 PM
What are the chance Humans can hold loss under 1SDEV significance to make it a "statistical tie"?
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01-22-2017 , 09:24 PM
What is the current total? It was being posted after everyday until recently...
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01-22-2017 , 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by L0GIC
What is the current total? It was being posted after everyday until recently...
Humans have already lost and likely not even playing their A game anymore and everyone stopped caring.
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01-22-2017 , 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by L0GIC
What is the current total? It was being posted after everyday until recently...
... Really bro?

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Originally Posted by Loctus
Half way-ish results. RIP Humans (and RIP Timex lol)
I think today has been pretty bad for the humans so far though.. Probably updated score on twitch in an hour or so when they are done for the day just check whenever for totals https://www.twitch.tv/libratus_extra
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01-22-2017 , 09:54 PM
Why rip timex
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01-22-2017 , 10:12 PM
His site was offering +400 on the AI or something like that before the match started.
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01-22-2017 , 10:27 PM
True but wasn't it really small betting limits
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01-22-2017 , 11:07 PM
Proof that humans tank turns too
Spoiler:
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01-22-2017 , 11:10 PM


Zooming in on the good stuff
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01-22-2017 , 11:17 PM


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