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01-17-2017 , 04:29 PM

#501

samooth

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^^ Jason plays ahead of Dong + Dong doesn't have chat

raise 250 reraise 875 call
bet 647 call
bet 1126 call
bet 4607 jam 17k call

mirror:

raise 350 reraise 1750 (fold)

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01-17-2017 , 05:22 PM

#502

b1ochemical

old hand

Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 1,321

Looks to me like Dong is always on the right side of the hand(winner and gets there) and Jason has to make all those sick decisions against the bot. Amazing rail btw, thanks to everyone contributing <3

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01-17-2017 , 05:42 PM

#503

samooth

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raise 224 call
check bet 277 call
bet 250 raise 1181 3bet 3704 call
bet 4205 (1/2pot) (fold)

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01-17-2017 , 06:09 PM

#504

samooth

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Day 7 morning results:

3.1bb/100, 26% of all hands played, empire down ~45k.

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01-17-2017 , 06:21 PM

#505

BetaPro

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Thanks sammoth, for all the hands and updates.

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01-17-2017 , 08:35 PM

#506

samooth

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raise 226 call
check bet 284 raise 794 call
bet 2856 call
check check

mirror:

raise 250 reraise 875 call
check bet 875 call
check bet 3500 (fold)

raise 250 3bet 875 4bet 2625 5bet 4375 call
check bet 6562 call
check check
check check

mirror:

raise 350 call
check check
check bet 434 call
check check

raise 250 reraise 875 call
bet 1522 call
check bet 2397 call
check check

mirror:

raise 274 reraise 822 (fold)

bot has been playing 250/fold otb for the 3rd day in a row now, afaict. bot and humans in srs disagreement about how much 87o realizes.

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01-17-2017 , 08:51 PM

#507

fluorescenthippo

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So preflop first to act range has converged to 250 or 0? I wonder if 3betting size will converge next. Interesting to think about whats optimal vs what is a shortcut to GTO.

It seems like preflop there could in fact be a strict limit on sizes since ranges are the widest. And of course post flop its likely GTO has an extremely varied and wide range of sizes, because otherwise hands become too defined.

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01-17-2017 , 09:34 PM

#508

200zoomgrinder

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Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 366

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So preflop first to act range has converged to 250 or 0?

This is certainly an abstraction choice from CMU. Adding preflop open sizes (and esp limp) is the most expensive thing you can do in the tree and doubtful it adds much EV to the solution (esp if those sizes get taken less frequently). Restricting its 3bet sizings could definitely be beneficial for same reasons, altho you get less of a size reduction from this and I personally think it could be more likely that having 2.5->9x and 2.5->15x is more valuable than having 2.5x open and 3x open sizings. But that's just a guess

Thanks for all the info samooth!

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01-17-2017 , 10:20 PM

#509

Brokenstars

Verified Coach NLHE

Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 16,103

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Originally Posted by 200zoomgrinder

Thanks for all the info samooth!

I agree with this.

I think a GTO open sizing would vary a decent amount still.

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01-17-2017 , 10:38 PM

#510

samooth

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raise 274 reraise 1370 call
bet 685 call
bet 2055 call
marmalade for 16k call

mirror:

raise 250 reraise 1125 call
check bet 1687 call
check check
bet 3486 jam for 17k call

raise 274 3bet 1370 4bet 3753 5bet 7506 jam 20k call (equity chop)

mirror:

raise 250 call
check check
check bet 250 call
check check

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01-17-2017 , 11:02 PM

#511

samooth

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raise 250 call
check bet 125 call
check bet 1050 call
check empty the clip 18k (fold)

mirror:

raise 274 fold

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01-17-2017 , 11:11 PM

#512

angeles

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Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 1,942

humans new peak low for comp?

rip

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01-17-2017 , 11:17 PM

#513

ezdonkey

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01-17-2017 , 11:37 PM

#514

onebiggrind

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no money in poker all the supercomputers are solid

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01-18-2017 , 05:38 AM

#515

Pad

newbie

Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 18

Ouch, severe downswing for the brains

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01-18-2017 , 05:42 AM

#516

Loctus

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 11,159

Quote:

Originally Posted by samooth

raise 250 call
check bet 125 call
check bet 1050 call
check empty the clip 18k (fold)

mirror:

raise 274 fold

God, Libratus is the illest

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01-18-2017 , 05:57 AM

#517

betterlol

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This shows that a very good player (in this case a HU bot) will consistently beat the game in the long run.

Therefore poker is a game of skill.

Also, the difference between HU and 6 max and full ring is pretty big and I doubt that those variants will be solved soon.

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01-18-2017 , 08:22 AM

#518

samooth

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Day 7 results:

6.74bb/100, humans down ~180k for the day.

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01-18-2017 , 09:16 AM

#519

mrno1324

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RIP

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01-18-2017 , 09:57 AM

#520

UsedToBeGood

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Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 882

Thanks to those posting hands, they are fascinating. Especially the mirror ones.

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01-18-2017 , 10:02 AM

#521

+rep_lol

banned

Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 14,900

FOL

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01-18-2017 , 10:03 AM

#522

Johnny Dazzle

centurion

Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 180

Quote:

Parentheses indicate a negative number.

Is anyone else triggered by this% Furthermore! why do they even give both positive and negative numbers% Just one number would be sufficient$

Percent sign indicates a question mark.
Exclamation mark indicates a comma.
Dollar sign indicates a dot.

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01-18-2017 , 10:13 AM

#523

samooth

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expressing negative numbers with parentheses is common in scientific journals and company filings, where a lot of data is presented at once (mostly in big tables) and minus signs are harder to catch/easier to overlook

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01-18-2017 , 10:16 AM

#524

ShallowMind

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Originally Posted by Johnny Dazzle

I find it equally annoying, but the standard accounting way is always to show negative numbers in parentheses.

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01-18-2017 , 10:17 AM

#525

Johnny Dazzle

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Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 180

OK, that's fair. I have to say that I read many scientific papers and even wrote a few and have never encountered this practice. However, we don't deal with many negative numbers.

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