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07-14-2016 , 01:58 AM

#76

ThatsAGoodCard

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That's how u win a bracelet guys

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07-14-2016 , 02:11 AM

#77

kerr

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You gotta know when to fold'em

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07-14-2016 , 02:23 AM

#78

jgrimmer44

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I would be snap calling in that spot, and I find it completely absurd that someone would tank with quads, let alone fold. Folding there has to just be completely and utterly torching your money.

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07-14-2016 , 02:29 AM

#79

prahsk87

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Originally Posted by wheatrich

There's a tell that many players only make when they've got quads+ (and it's extremely difficult to fake). If my opponent showed that tell to me I'm folding this and not thinking about it and also not showing (that's just dumb). Yeah it's a super super rare situation but *shrugs*.

that said betting 40k into 40k and folding for just 100k more is kinda out there in what.

Very interesting... this tell doesn't even show up with top full house?

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07-14-2016 , 02:36 AM

#80

RedOak

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Originally Posted by Loctus

http://www.wsop.com/tournaments/upda...r-folds-quads/

If you put 7s on board, then QsTs and Ts8s make stfl. If you put his range on those two and KK and 99 and even JJ, then 2 ways 7777 is beat and 9 ways it is good. So 77.7% chance quads is good. easy call. never folding.

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07-14-2016 , 02:49 AM

#81

dopebeats

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Originally Posted by ISmellToast

I think there is a thing where good poker players over estimate what they need to do to win poker tournaments and try way to hard. So they do stuff like bet fold quads on the river getting 3/1. When what they should be doing is just play your normal game and wait for other players to try too hard and make these big mistakes.

If the info ITT is correct then he folded for 60k into 180k on river meaning he needs 33% to call. For that river fold to be correct the player shoving has to have Qs10s and KK 17% of the time or less. So even if you are 80% sure he doesn't shove KK its still a bad fold. That does not include value shoving any worse hands like JJ or nut flush etc, that does not include any chance that it was a bluff which is always non zero.

BTW, he needs 25% to call not 33%.

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07-14-2016 , 02:52 AM

#82

Goose00

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Originally Posted by doublejoker

If you're going to fold quads. What benefit os there in showing the table how tight you're playing.

Well he has won a bracelet against many top pros so how can THIS decision not be a good one right, Allen?

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07-14-2016 , 03:02 AM

#83

bhawkdown

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Originally Posted by doublejoker

If you're going to fold quads. What benefit os there in showing the table how tight you're playing.

that doesn't necessarily mean he is playing really tight. just that he had a read. i'm not saying it was a good read but it's entirely possible to make a hero fold and then make a hero call the very next hand.

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07-14-2016 , 03:26 AM

#84

doublejoker

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Ok I found out definitively. The 7s was definitely NOT on the board. Wsop update crew is modifying the update as we speak.

Mods can you update the OP to reflect that?

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07-14-2016 , 03:30 AM

#85

zigi

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The only reason he could fold was if he saw V's cards.
To be honnest i don't believe this did happen.

Last edited by zigi; 07-14-2016 at 03:37 AM.

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07-14-2016 , 03:35 AM

#86

florentinopeces

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Originally Posted by p2 dog, p2

it takes a good player to find a fold here, not a dumb one.

Like when the girl gets naked and you say I'm married, no dice.

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07-14-2016 , 03:39 AM

#87

Shoe

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Originally Posted by zigi

The only reason he could fold was if he saw V's cards.
To be honnest i don't believe this did happen.

If the report is true that he bet 40k on the river there is no way he saw his cards, unless his bet made his opponent check and flash them but that would be highly unlikely.

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07-14-2016 , 03:43 AM

#88

Natamus

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Originally Posted by Lawnmower Man

Are we sure it wasn't Kyle Boller? He was an expert at folding big under pressure.

This deserves way more love ❤️

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07-14-2016 , 03:49 AM

#89

ISmellToast

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Originally Posted by dopebeats

BTW, he needs 25% to call not 33%.

Yes correct pot is 240k not 180k like I wrote my bad.

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07-14-2016 , 03:51 AM

#90

LOLCh1pPorn

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I'll tell you one thing I would've never put in more than fourty thousand with four sevens, son

Just imagine being the all in player there without QsTs, you gotta feel like the sickest sunrunner ever for getting to win that pot

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07-14-2016 , 04:34 AM

#91

Wilbury Twist

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You all are overthinking this: the villain was Tony Cousineau.

/thread

Last edited by Wilbury Twist; 07-14-2016 at 04:34 AM. Reason: Except that would be a SNAP-fold.

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07-14-2016 , 04:50 AM

#92

epcfast

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snap fold AINEC

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07-14-2016 , 05:04 AM

#93

Hoverroundon22s

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the metagame value of folding face up was obv worth far more than the pot, simple 5th level stuff

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07-14-2016 , 07:53 AM

#94

ohmyquad

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misclick

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07-14-2016 , 08:25 AM

#95

peckx063

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Originally Posted by ISmellToast

Yes correct pot is 240k not 180k like I wrote my bad.

The shove is for 100k more not 60. So it's 100 to win 40+40+40+100=220k. Needs about 30% ICM not withstanding.

If the detail comes out they were sitting next to each other, I'm all in on opponent rechecking his cards OTR and Bowker seeing QTss otherwise wtf.

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07-14-2016 , 08:43 AM

#96

sluGGish

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Don't have nuts on river and therefore must fold...gonna wait for a better spot

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07-14-2016 , 08:46 AM

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Ra_raa11

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one of the worst folds ever no matter what the action you lose to 1 combo only and even though top of his value range is JJ, KK, when a guy shoves and you have quads unless there is a 4 to a straight flush out there its a clear snap call!!! Ridiculous