I would call so fast that someone would have to explain to me why I lost when villain showed 10s Qs.

I should preface this by saying that I strongly dislike the fold. But hypothetically speaking, IF his read was correct, how can you say it was an awful fold? Wouldn't it actually be one of the greatest folds in WSOP history?

Because whatever thought process he used to put Villain on precisely QTss may very well be flawed. Villain may actually HAVE the QTss, but unless that was the ONLY hand in his range, that doesn't make the thought process correct.

Reading doesn't mean putting someone on 1 hand.

it did here though

I understand that the concept does not involve that, but obviously it did in this situation. Bowker did put him on a specific hand: Q10ss.

Suppose we know that he was right. With hindsight being 20/20, would he not deserve credit for the fold?

tHE ONLY WAY THIS FOLD WOULD BE REMOTELY CORRECT if hr goes on to the final table.

If he gets out b4 the money, he will be haunted forever for the fold.

irrelevant

Not sure how anyone could be considered playing to win if they are too scared to call with quads.

I'm not talking about the analysis of the villain's range based upon the entire hand; I'm talking about the analysis/read of villain's specific reaction (e.g., nonverbal communication) after the river card. If the villain had a boat, he already had it on the turn. I wouldn't expect a notable, unintentional nonverbal cue on the river. If the villain just made a strong flush (but not the straight flush), I also wouldn't expect a notable, unintentional nonverbal cue at that point, because the villain is already concerned about the potential boat. If there was a unintentional nonverbal cue on the river that suggested the villain had just significantly improved his hand, the straight flush may have been the most reasonable explanation.

Again, I'm not defending the fold, and I could never do it. But that doesn't prevent me from trying to at least understand the rationale behind it. This is what I've come up with.

There's a tell that many players only make when they've got quads+ (and it's extremely difficult to fake). If my opponent showed that tell to me I'm folding this and not thinking about it and also not showing (that's just dumb). Yeah it's a super super rare situation but *shrugs*.

that said betting 40k into 40k and folding for just 100k more is kinda out there in what.

It's a horrible fold in PLO too. Probably solid in 10 card omaha though?

What's worse, folding Kings pre-flop or folding quads on the river?

I think Kyle must have been high on crystal meth and was so paranoid that he put villian on straight flush. Only explanation that makes sense.

Maybe the 7s was on board also? Why is everyone assuming it isn't? That'd bring T8s into play also. All I see are 7x and 7x.

Plus I saw on twitter someone said he didn't actually show, he only said he had quads. Not sure what to believe.

I think there is a thing where good poker players over estimate what they need to do to win poker tournaments and try way to hard. So they do stuff like bet fold quads on the river getting 3/1. When what they should be doing is just play your normal game and wait for other players to try too hard and make these big mistakes.

If the info ITT is correct then he folded for 60k into 180k on river meaning he needs 33% to call. For that river fold to be correct the player shoving has to have Qs10s and KK 17% of the time or less. So even if you are 80% sure he doesn't shove KK its still a bad fold. That does not include value shoving any worse hands like JJ or nut flush etc, that does not include any chance that it was a bluff which is always non zero.

If you gonna fold and show quads at least, pay the guy like $300cash and see if your fold is OK. Beg the dude to show LOL, heck even pay $500 I think most would show for less.

folding quads is never correct, kings could be.

not irelevant. I see wat u r saying but the whole point of playing a turney is to win, or at least make a nice score. Not to see how many =EV MOVES YOU CAN MAKE.

what seats were they in ? hopefully he saw villians cards or something. i cant understand a fold here. this is the **** i dont understand how this guy is making a better living than me and im stuck grinding 1/2 running like mike matusow claims to run. luck is such a factor in poker that people dont like to acknowledge .

If you have an empty bluffing range here as villain, why are you shoving KK? "To get called by JJ". Okay, then which hand does JJ beat against an empty bluffing range? 99. Why does the non-bluffer shove 99? To get called by...

See where this is going?

Qs10s makes up at most 20% of villains hands. This has to be one of the worst folds I've ever heard of

maybe he's lone and needs attention and discussion. He merely wanted to become famous for a sec.

No , lol. you think these LIVE tourney players are that balanced to where hes not shoving kings because he doesnt have bluffs here lol.

You GTO nerds don't understand anything about live reads. Sometimes it's more about feel, and you gotta put a man on a hand.