still going to contact doj though...

Wasnt there some issue or obscurity previously with the Govt/DOJ's definition of deposit? I seem to remember something about this and our definition of deposit being different than theirs. Our definition of deposit = money we actually deposited on the site (credit card etc). Theirs being deposit = balance.

It seems absolutely preposterous that the DOJ would try to refund only what ppl had actually deposited with credit cards etc. No way imo.

Absurd ideas is what attracts readers.

Lol @ paying only deposits. Doj may be bastards but they aren't mentally ******ed

On the phone with them now, the original number posted for SDNY isn't the right number to call. You want to call the press office at : 212-637-2600

LOL the US government is just funny. Who cares about US citizens. Why would they!

Let us grab some money off them if we can.

What if you never deposited on FTP but got funds via a transfer from another player for $1000. Then over the next 6 months ran it up over $100,000. Would you be owed $0?

The girl on the line was pretty clueless and essentially told me that nothing had been decided as far as US payouts go, and that we will learn more in the future. Next week maybe?

Agreed and have long agreed. But Nathan Vardi and John Pappas seem to be giving it credibility. With $150 million on the line, I don't think it hurts for everyone to contact them and let them know how absurd it would be.

"John Pappas, executive director of the Poker Players Alliance, the Washington D.C. lobbying group, said it would be “ludicrous” for the government to not pay U.S. players what they had on deposit at Full Tilt and said his group will “play a role in the process.”

"Pappas also said it could be a logistical nightmare for the U.S. government to figure out how much players deposited on Full Tilt instead of just paying back what they had on deposit in April of 2011. There is still a lot riding on what finally gets decided in Washington."

Either $0 or $1000. Seems so unlikely they could even contemplate doing this, but contact them just to make sure.

Agreed and have long agreed. But Nathan Vardi and John Pappas seem to be giving it credibility. With $150 million on the line, I don't think it hurts for everyone to contact them and let them know how absurd it would be.

"John Pappas, executive director of the Poker Players Alliance, the Washington D.C. lobbying group, said it would be “ludicrous” for the government to not pay U.S. players what they had on deposit at Full Tilt and said his group will “play a role in the process.”

"Pappas also said it could be a logistical nightmare for the U.S. government to figure out how much players deposited on Full Tilt instead of just paying back what they had on deposit in April of 2011. There is still a lot riding on what finally gets decided in Washington."

Either $0 or $1000. Seems so unlikely they could even contemplate doing this, but contact them just to make sure.

it sounds like you didn t pay your taxes.

No way. Pretty sure "deposits" refer to money on hand. Not physical "deposits." Similar to a checking account or whatever, the amount you had in your account was "on deposit"

Honestly, it seems beyond stupid that the DOJ didn't have a plan for this before the deal closed. Why just start to make one up after the deal?

Exactly what I told her on the phone. So ridiculous. I guess it's better though to be in the hands of the DOJ than just in constant 2+2 speculation.

Sincerely hope so. I just don't understand why Vardi and Pappas seem to suggest otherwise.

Either way DOJ should be contacted with requests for full repayment of account balances.

I hate to break this to you, but this whole mess will only be "over" when one of the following happens:

1. You receive and deposit a refund check, and it clears

2. The DOJ formally declares that you won't be getting a refund

I called the Press Office for the USAO at 212-637-2600. A nice lady told me they should have official details sometime next week regarding how players will get paid and what they need to do. Their site is: http://www.justice.gov/usao/nys/

ALSO NOTE: I am just relaying what she told me to all of you. She also mentioned to not jump to any conclusions because there are no final details yet.

I would also like to echo what I've already said. Other news sites have ulterior motives to spread and sensationalize news to gain viewership and line their pockets with advertising dollars. You should really stay calm at this point and be patient. We've already done 14+ months of it, just hang in there a little more.

I agree, thats why I said "until something concrete is released". I cant handle anymore speculation that I can't seem to stop myself from reading.

Did you speak with Jennifer Queliz by any chance?

Also just called the DOJ Main switchboard. The operator referred me to the Fraud Division which is 202-514-0694 open 0830-1700 ET and said they should be handling further details. By the time I got off hold, they were already closed. Guess we'll have to call tomorrow.

I didn't get her name.

I hear ya bro. My brain is falling out from all of this bull****.

It's funny we still have the balances versus deposits debate. Didn't they use the word "deposits" before we got paid back from Stars and it turned out to be our "balances"?

As it's been stated MANY times, it's stupid to think it would ever be your "deposit" because to get all the "deposits", you'd also have to get back all the "rake" and then you'd have to have a LOT of documentation to figure out what the original "deposits" ever were. And, all that for what reason? So, online poker was some big do over? Playing online poker is not illegal. It is debatable if allowing US funds to get transferred or withdrawn to a poker site.

Agree, I've been saying this for what seems like a year or so.

I agree this is a whole non-issue, the forbes article is complete garbage, and Skallagrim already showed how the precedent set in the BetOnSports case was to pay players in accordance to their balance on the site.

But just to play devil's advocate, the problem with your post Ike is that the DOJ is only setting aside ~$150 million for remission. They don't care if they are paying 100% of balances or 10% of 1.5 billion that has been deposited over the years, they're only on the hook for $150 million.