confirmed PLO dream machine by doug in his video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQQbTTOBiOc

how is this acceptable?

Will there be some sort of search on ben86's history on stars to confirmed this?

This is absurd.

What's a PLO dream machine?

3rd party software that is not publicly available and is rumored to give big edges.

Yes, I've tested it myself. A bit sluggish for the claimed bhp, to be honest. Well, what can you do, people are gonna be people.

k-i-s-s-i-n-g

first it was Ike who had a dream machine, then Doug, and now Ben

Self-replicating dream machines are the new dream machines.

“But Ben, you promised...” Doug stuttered, holding back tears.

“I can’t… There’s someone else. I don’t wanna break his heart” Ben said apologetically, as he looked down, not wanting to stare back into Doug’s penetrating beautiful blue gaze. He bit his lip slightly, as he winced at the pain, but it was nothing compared to one that the betrayal had caused Doug.

“WHY! I gave you everything. EVERYTHING!” Doug screamed as he struggled to compose himself. He wraps his arm around himself, gripping with a certain tightness. He felt so used. So unloved. So violated. A salty bead, descends from the corner of his eyes, meanders down the delicate contours of his cheekbones as he murmurs. The emotional pain intensifies, manifesting into reality as he struggles to take a breath, managing only a gurgling and pitiful sound that resembles the cry of a donkey.

“I’m so sorry. This wasn’t supposed to happen. I thought it would work. That we could all be together.” Ben chokes, as he starts to fight back tears, turning his head completely away from Doug, acknowledging the depth of his own treason.

“But what am I going to do? I have nothing now. No one would wants me!” Doug cries as he realise no one will want him now. No one will play with him. No one will touch him anymore. He’s only salvation is Ben. The only one who will give him a chance to be something.

“It’s not like you haven’t hurt me either” Ben spat back as Doug’s pained expression turned into one of shock. “You saw you. That night. You were with that kid. The Swedish one. What’s his name again, Blom or something?” Ben continued. “I saw what you did. You two. All night. You guys went at it for hours straight” I didn’t know you like blondes. Don’t think I didn’t see it. I saw it all. You didn’t even know”

“That was one mistake. One night it happened. It didn’t mean anything. I was lonely” Doug retorted. “You hurt me so bad. You don’t even know. Everytime we go out. You had to put me down. In front of everyone. What so good about that guy Ike anyway. What does he have that I don’t. I bet he’s the one. Isn’t he. I can’t believe you chose him over me after all we had together. What was so special about him, that everything we had meant nothing to you.”

“He had something you didn’t” Ben muttered quietly. “A dream.”



To Be Continued……

obviously Doug and Ben only create this drama as a smoke screen to obscure their dream machine related activities.
They both are alix martins henchmen after all.

All jokes aside, and from BerriSweet's post, it's more clear than ever that Ike and Ben have access to very important software that very few others do.

I know Ike is a hero on here, but it'd be great if he actually owned up to the truth of how he got to the top of PLO. You have to remember, Ike switched from NL to PLO and basically started at the TOP of PLO. He literally had almost no learning curve at all. He ran the streets from near the beginning of ever touching the game and it's certainly a different enough game that it should take some hands to get to that position. Given what WGC said about Ben's software and the relationship between Ben and Ike, it is extremely suspicious the two have gotten to the top of PLO in large part do to software.

It may not be the equivalent of cheating, but it certainly creates an unfair edge. It's kind of scary to think that maybe a lot of the guys at the top are there largely because of their access to software the majority of people do not have.

I know many will say "well they still had to learn, it's just a teaching aid" but if the teaching aid makes it 100x easier to play near flawless PLO, and it's a private software teaching aid, it's a pretty ****ty situation and they don't deserve any respect. They may be entitled to their riches because they didn't break the TOS, but they don't deserve the praise they receive as the best PLO minds.

If this is wrong, if all the insinuations to this valuable software were all a bluff, then it would be great if Ben or Ike could address this. Joey should be asking his guests about this without it always being a joke because it isn't a joke. People have lost a fortune to these guys and the poker world deserves to know if the people that are crushing are doing so with access to extremely valuable and privileged information or not.

This is ridiculous. Creating teaching tools which are better than what other people have is the most natural thing to do to gain an edge. It's not new either. Since the beginning people created private HUDs, private database filters, preflop tables, ways to profile opponents, find leaks etc. If they developed software which allows them to learn PLO at world class level in short amount of time they deserve huge respect and exactly the reputation of great PLO minds.

Yeah, that part was pretty absurd. There should be no issue with anything that is a pure teaching tool, unless there was cheating of some kind involved to develop or use it, like shared hand histories.

That depends on the nature of the software. If it's analysis software, similar to the decision tree software I've seen Alix use in training videos, then I don't see anything wrong with it. It's just computer-aided learning.

Let's take a somewhat absurd hypothetical and see if you still agree with this statement. IBM's Watson solves PLO but does so privately. It leaks to one poker player who gains access to this software and uses it to train off the tables 10 hours a day. Watson plays completely perfectly, and even has the ability to leak find and explain different spots. Basically, the program is the perfect player and the perfect coach such that anyone with access to it would have a dramatic advantage to others trying to learn the game from more traditional and available to all methods.

They don't use Watson when actually playing so they aren't cheating. I'd still argue this is a messed up situation and that the player who is leaked the private software may be entitled to the money but not praise.

But I can accept you don't agree. Depending on what the software does, the extent to which it basically trains people to play like GTO bots is the relevant question. Is Ben naturally special as a top poker mind or has he just gotten access to software others don't have? I have no idea. I'd love to hear him or Ike explain what private software they have used and how much it has helped them.

Don't you find Ike's immediate rise to the top strange? PLO wasn't new when he made the switch and he literally was at the top almost immediately from starting. As you can see from WGC and many others that the make the switch there is normally a learning curve. It's interesting he had none.

Dream machines are so 2014. I dumped mine last year. What I have now is much better.

I agree.

-If they used this extremely advanced software capable of real time play then they dont deserve the money or the recognition.

-If they used extremely advanced software off the table to basically memorize spots/ strategy that the software feeds out then i guess they deserve the money but not the recognition.

The only way, the only way that they deserve both the money and the recognition if if they wrote the software themselves which i highly doubt

edit- this shouldnt be surprising to anyone really... there's no study about this but i think its a pretty good guess that 1. most of the pros who stick around long term are sociopaths and 2. have some sort of gambling problem- one of the worst combinations out there imo

I need a beat the rake machine.

All right, after reading this post I reread the other one, and will retract my "absurd" statement with apologies. I missed that you said they deserve the money and not the praise. I still don't completely agree, but I see where you're coming from. If you knew that one player had come up with much of their strategy themselves, or had learned from others but adapted to their own style of play, while another player had simply memorized plays, tables, what have you, I could see an argument that the former deserved more praise than the latter as a "pure player", or whatever you'd like to call their skill. It's natural that most poker players are going to think more of fellow players who have come up with more of their strategy on their own than those who are learning from/mimicking the play of others. But does anyone really know how each player has come to play the way they do?

seems like it

I'm pretty sure Alix wrote the software. Here's an old demo of some other software he wrote:

chill guys maybe he hasn't got around to reading the thread

This thread appears to be a spinoff from a thread that was also a spinoff. It is now the Benson of NVG.

LOL

if he thought ben was a bad person, why wait 2 and a half years to out him. Surely for the sake of the poker community they need to know.
I fail to understand why it takes so long

This is 3 years ago... I can only imagine what they have running in real-time next to the tables they are playing telling them what is up... scary actually...