No more flat 27% rakeback on FTP - Poker News

Hi all,

Some of the biggest remaining questions are being answered today.

At the beginning of this year, well before PokerStars entered the picture, we had begun work on a new rewards program that would combine aspects of Iron Man, Black Card, and affiliate-paid rakeback. The three programs had their advantages, but overall it was too many programs, and they were confusing to many players.

By the time the PokerStars deal came along, most of the major work on this new program was done, and it was just a matter of deciding whether or not to go with it. This was not a trivial decision, but in the end we decided that the benefits of having a unified program were worth the change. So when we re-launch on November 6th it will be without Iron Man, Black Card, or affiliate-paid rakeback.

We aren't quite ready to give all of the details of the new rewards program, but the general idea is that it will be available to everyone, and the main benefit of the program is weekly cash payments that are based on the number of Full Tilt Points earned that week. The program tops out at paying $2.50 for every 100 Full Tilt Points earned (which works out to 25%).

Some notes:

Unlike affiliate-paid rakeback, there are no deductions of fees (store purchases, promotions, etc…), so the 25% mentioned above will almost always beat the 27% that rakeback was giving.
Because the weekly cash payments are now based on points earned, FTPs will now be earned using the Weighted Contributed method instead of the Dealt method.
The weekly cash payments don't use up the FTPs earned, so you can still spend them in the store. This means that, depending on how you spend them, points add an additional 4-5% to the program, giving the top level of the new program a giveback of up to 30%.
Since there are no fee deductions, all FTPs are worth more to former rakeback players than previously, which increases the value of promotions like Happy Hour and Take 2.
We will have a transition from Iron Man and Black Card to this new program, so long-term players of both promotions will likely get a leg up in the new program from the start.
The top level of this program is significantly easier to achieve than Black Card was.
The Black Card store will be changed so that anyone in the new top level can use it. This means that many more players will be eligible to purchase cash bonuses in the store.
If you qualified for the 2011 Iron Man Mid-Year Bonus, you will still get it when the site re-launches.
The Black Card program will return (not at re-launch, but eventually) in a brand new way. Expect a little news about that soon.

An email will be going out today to anyone that was in Iron Man, Black Card, or had affiliate rakeback, although the email itself will be less detailed than this post. I expect there will be a lot of questions and comments about this (quite large) change, and I will do my best to answer what I can. Many more details will be announced before re-launch, including what the levels are and how to achieve them.

To the questions:

1. Is the countdown on the website also counting down how many days until we can download the software?

- Actually, no. The current plan is to allow players to download, install, and even log in before November 6th. We want to make sure the 6th runs as smoothly as possible, so there will be some heavy testing time built into the re-launch.

2. Will the rakeback we were due to get paid be in our accounts when it re-opens?

- Yes, that last week in June will be still be paid out. Expect an email in the next couple of weeks detailing any changes to your account balance since we went down (because of various promotions that are going away or were interrupted, or tickets that expired, etc…).

3. Will the log-in PIN (not the name/password) still be used and unchanged?

- Yes, any additional security you were using will still be in effect when we come back up.

4. Could you expand on why you're discouraging moving money from FTP to PokerStars?

- Sorry, that was a joke. I just want all the players on FTP, that's all. I definitely expect plenty of money to move back and forth fairly freely, especially when big promotions or big tournament series are running on one site.

5. Can you please make heads-up games king of the hill?

- There are no plans for that specifically. However, we've given heads-up games a lot of thought, and we do have something in the longer-term pipeline that I hope will have a positive effect on those games.

6. Will the new FTP lobby will have information about players countries, like in PokerStars now?

- There isn't a new FTP lobby. It'll be pretty much the same as when it went down. We've actually shown country information for players for a very long time and there are no plans to change that.

7. Will there be accounts in both € and $ like on PokerStars?

- Not at re-launch, but there is a project to allow for a multi-currency cashier.

8. Will Full Tilt Poker start on November 6th at midnight?

- No. The actual start time on the 6th hasn't been announced yet, but it won't be exactly at midnight.

9. Has it been confirmed that the site to site transfers will be up at re-launch?

- That hasn't been confirmed yet. I can say that it's looking likely it will be ready in time, though, so we have high hopes the feature will be available at re-launch.

10. Will there be a fulltiltpoker.eu similar to pokerstars.eu?

- Yes, that's the plan. It won't be there at re-launch, but it's one of the next highest priorities, so expect it in one of the first couple of real updates after re-launch.

11. Are there any plans to allow US players to redeem their points for merchandise or for anything else?

- Assuming the current US laws don't change, the only way a US player would be able to redeem their points is if they move to a country that allows them to play on fulltiltpoker.com for real money. Once verified, they'd be able to make use of the points still in their account.

12. What will the process be for pairing Stars and FTP accounts?

- The exact process hasn't been announced yet, but it will be as quick and painless as possible. It will involve logging into both sites and using a "pairing code" to link the accounts.

Last edited by Videopro; 10-12-2012 at 04:23 PM. Reason: added quote

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10-12-2012 , 07:49 AM

keevo

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Sucks for lowstakes player who don't grind so much. But better for high volume players

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10-12-2012 , 07:53 AM

DePokerGod

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DAMMIT!

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10-12-2012 , 07:55 AM

scroosko

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sweet. can get cash equivalent for FTPs and move to a better rakeback system

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10-12-2012 , 07:57 AM

0mar Comin

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obv was going to happen - ftp have too many affiliates earning their 8% on each player.

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10-12-2012 , 07:58 AM

DePokerGod

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Originally Posted by scroosko

sweet. can get cash equivalent for FTPs and move to a better rakeback system

So you think they will still offer a rakeback system then, just not the one that was in place previously?

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10-12-2012 , 08:02 AM

scroosko

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they will offer a reward system which is effectively rakeback

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10-12-2012 , 08:03 AM

Droschopf

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If you just play several hours/month like me, this really sucks.

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10-12-2012 , 08:03 AM

Kolo Toure

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obv they will have a rb system in place. Prob an fpp style one

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10-12-2012 , 08:04 AM

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scroosko

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if they combine the two systems it would be the best thing ever. accumulated VIP status which play on both sites contributes to. doubt that would happen though but can always dream.......

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10-12-2012 , 08:08 AM

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SW_Kaizer

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this is the problem i was worried about with stars now monopolizing the quality software poker market, it means that all players who don't play ridiculous volume & all player who play low stakes below 1/2 get <20% RB and stars are basically robbing them, this really sucks, and also it should be noted that although this is the first thing they may change to increase their revenue and screw players, it may very well not be the last :/

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10-12-2012 , 08:13 AM

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ChaseNutley26

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If they end up having a VIP system similar to Stars' that's gonna suck. They really need to make the rewards programs very different from each other in order to draw all kinds of players to their products, instead of just hardcore grinders.

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10-12-2012 , 08:14 AM

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Squibz

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I guess this is to be expected, as any Stars microstakes players would play exclusively on FTP if it still had rakeback, thus making Stars cannibalise its player base.

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10-12-2012 , 08:14 AM

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Mrage

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Originally Posted by Droschopf

If you just play several hours/month like me, this really sucks.

This. However, I'm in the US, which sucks worse.

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10-12-2012 , 08:28 AM

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dalonelybaptist

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Is the rakeback still going to be more attractive for micros players who are only putting in afew hours a week?

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10-12-2012 , 08:29 AM

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leconnaisseur

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PokerStrategy was a major partner of Full Tilt. EGR revealed that at the height of its relationship with Full Tilt Poker, PokerStrategy was sending 30,000 players per month to the room.

For real?

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10-12-2012 , 08:29 AM

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CoreySteel

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Originally Posted by scroosko

if they combine the two systems it would be the best thing ever. accumulated VIP status which play on both sites contributes to. doubt that would happen though but can always dream.......

That would be great

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10-12-2012 , 08:33 AM

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Ikilldurrrr1

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I hope they are not scrapping it.

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10-12-2012 , 08:41 AM

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laughing gravy

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Originally Posted by SW_Kaizer

This is spot on. It's really bad news for people who don't earn a gazillion ftps each month.

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10-12-2012 , 08:46 AM

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Tirppa

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Was going to deposit. Am not anymore

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10-12-2012 , 08:48 AM

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Bolsta

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I would not get completely worked up over this just yet, no official announcement.

Firstly if they kept the original 27% system they would more likely have to keep paying affiliates which they probably don't want to do. We also do not know what will be put in place if it is actually scrapped, it could be something nearly as good and aimed at the lower volume players.

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10-12-2012 , 08:52 AM

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sleepingtom

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not cool.

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10-12-2012 , 08:54 AM

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TNCS

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Originally Posted by Tirppa

Was going to deposit. Am not anymore

Same here.

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10-12-2012 , 09:00 AM

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humanoid

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So much for FTP being exactly the same and doing what they want lol !

Gonna be stars pulling the strings all the way.

Dull and Boring.

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10-12-2012 , 09:01 AM

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0mar Comin

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Originally Posted by leconnaisseur

PokerStrategy was a major partner of Full Tilt. EGR revealed that at the height of its relationship with Full Tilt Poker, PokerStrategy was sending 30,000 players per month to the room.

For real?

No.

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