It's now been revealed by GBT that Ivey, Greenstein, Benyamine, Antonius, durrrr, Juanda, Matusow, Lindgren, etc etc all still owe Full Tilt significant money. Whether or not they have tried to repay that debt is irrelevant. The point that seems to be overlooked is this:

These guys were rolled-up highstakes players with plenty of money who, instead of using all of their own money, borrowed money from a site that was really money FROM PLAYERS SUCH AS YOU AND ME AND EVERYONE ON 2P2 WHO HAD MONEY ON FULL TILT WITHOUT OUR CONSENT, to play the highest games possible, AGAINST SOME OF US WHO WOULD'VE MOVED UP TO TAKE A SHOT AT NOSEBLEEDS. This is true because we know Full Tilt did not keep players funds separate and used it instead for every imaginable purpose.

In other words, some brilliant players not associated with Full Tilt, moved up to take on the pros without knowing that they were really playing against named pros with UNLIMITED BANKROLL as funded by the site. Imagine that. I don't even know how many players would've taken a shot and lost a ton to these guys not due to significant skill disadvantage but that they could not stand the aggression of these name pros.

Little did they know, that the aggression was backed up by the knowledge that they could borrow money from the very players that they were playing against, with Full Tilt's consent and without players' knowledge.

How does that make any of these guys anything but SCUMBAGS??? I'm not talking about Full Tilt Poker(of course they are), but the big names who have been revealed to still owe money to Full Tilt. They knew what was going on, they knew they were unethically if not illegally tapping into an unlimited bankroll it seemed to bulldoze over anyone who tried to move up as it seemed, and to me they are all scumbags.

To use a live poker analogy: imagine those in your local cardroom who play the highest games are not playing entirely with their own money, but money from the house, in order to win your money, and you have no knowledge of it. Nobody respects Full Tilt, and nobody would respect this cardroom. But why are these name pros still getting a free pass on sites like pokernews.com etc etc... they are scumbags... if you knew players who did that at your local cardroom there's no way people would let them off this easy.

Yes

+1. these guys should be ostracized from the poker and gambling world until they make every reasonable effort to pay back debts and make players whole. I think it would be entirely reasonable for 2p2ers to start a movement and a petition to be presented to every online site and every major land based casino asking for these players to be banned until they make this right.

if enough people speak with their feet and wallets corporations will listen.

Enter, Snr Martin Gale

And theres a ton of other gripes. a very goot mtt player tweeted today something like

"Anyone wonder if sidel could see who owned each SN playing HS, and was studying HHs with hole cards?"....


--I believe he was implying that the cyborg coulda had an edge when he won every freak hs mtt last year. Im not accusing or saying theirs any data here, but the whole FTP thing stinks. what can you say. what can you do.

It's pretty clear that at least a good majority of these players had no idea of what was going on at FTP. This type of lending is very common in high stakes play because of the the logistics involved in transferring hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars. A recreational player couldn't get $500 on the site without a dirty payment processor shading the transaction as a golf club purchase. How is somebody going to get a million dollars online? And how are they getting off too light? They didn't borrow money from a bank and refuse to pay it back. They didn't steal it. They borrowed it from their friends like they probably had a dozen times before. So what are they going to do, give $4MM back to Ferguson so it can be promptly seized by the DOJ?

Feel free to discuss this in one of the seventy-five other threads about this topic.