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Old 08-11-2008, 02:11 PM   #1
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2+2 ex-mod cornell fiji (Steven Ware) stole 30k from Admo part drei

Steve Ware Update:

No news, and there probably won't be for a while. Steve has broken communication. In case he is truly in a dangerous mental state I'm still going to give him a few more days to get himself together before I begin the collection process.

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What happens next? Will StevenWareIsaThief.com launch?

This is entirely up to Steve. In the first week after he stole from me I laid out a road map telling him exactly what's going to happen. He knows what's coming if he doesn't attempt to work out repayment. I have promised him that I will eventually do everything that I said.

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I want to send Steven a stake to help pay you back. Is that OK?

Somebody not named Steve Ware sent me this question in a PM. I think it's a fantastically bad idea. The odds of Steve running your stake (any stake) into the ground are almost 100%. Everything that people have PM'd me about Steve's play over the summer indicate that he has a 'big score' mentality and zero bankroll management. Not to pile on Steve's poker ability because I've never played a hand with him, but a previous screenshot shows his online ROI at -39%. Someone familiar with him told me that found a way to blow $7K in an uncapped 1-2 game at Cornell. And he clearly lied to his backers about his overall poker numbers, omitting losses others witnessed firsthand. So-- while I appreciate the sentiment of wanting to help out, you should probably not stake Steve. It's my mistake and I should deal with the consequences of my actions.

With that said, if anyone wants to buy any portion of his debt at 1:1, I'm obviously selling, providing you won't go kneecapping to collect.

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Why did you send first to Steve Ware?

Monumental lapse in judgement? I've sent first exactly twice, the only other time being with Jman (live) who I liked and trusted within hours of meeting him. Steve and I had worked together on 2+2 before in a sting operation involving a serial scammer. People try to scam me in the p2p threads often and I usually will string them along for their info before handing everything off to Mike Haven and Stars/FTP security departments. After he became mod, Steve was especially vigilant in following up re: one scammer I was stringing along, and he would PM me every day with offers of help or to ask if I wanted the guy banned yet. He seemed at the time to spend a lot of time fighting against scammers in the HSNL transfer thread.

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Are you afraid of Steve having your account number?

No. Steve is well-versed in ACH fraud and would have ripped me by now if he intended to.


Note: In post 380 of this thread, Steven says that Admo was paid $30k in August. Also worth noting, is that Admo did not "start" this thread. It was separated from a previous thread that had been created regarding the situation.

Last edited by Kevmath; 09-18-2008 at 12:06 PM. Reason: added notes, stating that Admo was repaid $30k, plus that Admo did not start this particular thread.
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Steve Ware Update:

In case he is truly in a dangerous mental state I'm still going to give him a few more days to get himself together before I begin the collection process.
I ripped on you before about also being a bit of a degen for wanting to set up props about this situation. However from the above and the other post about calling the Suicide Hotline/ cops etc, I have to say you are being a really really good guy about all of this. I sincerely hope you get your money back.
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Re: 2+2 ex-mod cornell fiji (Steven Ware) stole 30k from Admo part drei

I might be missing something but why would someone buy a degen's debt at 1:1?
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Old 08-11-2008, 03:02 PM   #4
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Re: 2+2 ex-mod cornell fiji (Steven Ware) stole 30k from Admo part drei

Because Steve will read this: I didn't start this new thread. The OP of this thread was posted in the old thread and got moved here later by a mod.

Clarifying because Steve already thinks that I care more about attention whoring and ruining him than getting repaid.

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I might be missing something but why would someone buy a degen's debt at 1:1?
Because people are stupid / kind. There were people in the other thread offering to just give money because they felt bad for both of them.

FWIW, I don't think the debt is even worth $0.05/$1.

In any case good luck to OP.
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I might be missing something but why would someone buy a degen's debt at 1:1?
the same reason they would stake a degen. they are crazy?
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Old 08-11-2008, 03:06 PM   #7
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Re: 2+2 ex-mod cornell fiji (Steven Ware) stole 30k from Admo part drei

Why would anyone want to buy his debt at 1:1?
And for the record, despite what the sheep mentality at 2p2 may say, you are not awesome, but ldo you know that.


Hopefully you get your money back but when you can so carelessly toss away $30k to some guy on the Internet because his name happens to be in green, it's not really a big surprise that you got scammed.
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Old 08-11-2008, 03:08 PM   #8
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Re: 2+2 ex-mod cornell fiji (Steven Ware) stole 30k from Admo part drei

You do seem like a good guy and I've always enjoyed your posts.

Unfortunately, there is close to a 0% chance you will receive this money from steve anytime soon. I'm assuming he's burned all his bridges and will really have no way to pay you back. You really need to start the collection process immediately, and hope that you can get a judgment against him. From there, you just have to hope he gets a job so you can collect through the court system.

Everyday in every casino in the real/ virtual world people set out to gamble with just their "extra spending money". They start losing and then inevitably lose their grocery, rent, and college fund money. Steve Ware is just another one of those people.

There are a lot of compulsive gamblers out there masquerading around as "professional poker players".
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Beats me.
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"Steve is well-versed in ACH fraud "

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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Old 08-11-2008, 03:49 PM   #11
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Good luck with this mate. I think you've approached this as well as you possibly could and hopefully you get your money back somewhere down the line.

Sidenote: 500th post yay!
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Why would anyone want to buy his debt at 1:1?

Some people were actually taking up the idea of contributing/donating to Steve for what he did for the UB stuff or because they felt bad for him, etc.
Buying up part of the debt and/or giving money to admo is essentially the same as giving it to Steve (except that you ensure that the part you are donating actually goes to clearing the debt...and not to fund some sort of staking "try to run it up to $30k" type scheme).
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I really don't understand all this. I go away on vacation and leave when Cornell Fiji was the hero all of us wanted to be. He was in the middle of busting a huge scammer, and was working real hard to help bring down UB.

I come back, and he is a former mod and a scammer himself? Wow. I find this all hard to buy.
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Old 08-11-2008, 04:15 PM   #14
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Why would anyone want to buy his debt at 1:1?
And for the record, despite what the sheep mentality at 2p2 may say, you are not awesome, but ldo you know that.


Hopefully you get your money back but when you can so carelessly toss away $30k to some guy on the Internet because his name happens to be in green, it's not really a big surprise that you got scammed.
Have you been paying attention to this at all?
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Steven Ware? More like Leavin Scared imo.
This scathing assassination on his character will be what drives him over the edge.

also minor lol
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Old 08-11-2008, 04:27 PM   #16
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Re: 2+2 ex-mod cornell fiji (Steven Ware) stole 30k from Admo part drei

With all of the threads that have been posted, I am not certain if this aspect has been mentioned, but...

I am under the assumption that Admo will have to take Steven to court to recover this money. That being said, I would think that enforcing a 30k+ judgement against him and recovering any substaintial amount of money is probably slim to none.

I am not sure what the civil judgement laws are like wherever this suit may be filed, but in Florida (where I had lived for years running a large construction co.), judgements fall off the books after 6 or 7 years. If you do not collect within that timeframe, you never will.

Even if Admo is successful in any form of garnishment order, I do not see the 30k+ being paid in full ever.
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Are you afraid of Steve having your account number?

No. Steve is well-versed in ACH fraud and would have ripped me by now if he intended to.
lol make it a little less ovbious admo
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Old 08-11-2008, 04:31 PM   #18
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I don't think we've had much discussion about the Legal aspects of this situation - any lawyers in the house?

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Nice SEO in the OP, Admo.
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Some people were actually taking up the idea of contributing/donating to Steve for what he did for the UB stuff or because they felt bad for him, etc.
Buying up part of the debt and/or giving money to admo is essentially the same as giving it to Steve (except that you ensure that the part you are donating actually goes to clearing the debt...and not to fund some sort of staking "try to run it up to $30k" type scheme).
After reading all the comments you are 100% and I stand corrected...Steve is a total degen for what he did. Forget about my idea of donations-I would have gladly given it to Admo
Admo would be best served hiring a debt collector to deal with this. Curious if PS and Ft know about this and have banned CF?

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With all of the threads that have been posted, I am not certain if this aspect has been mentioned, but...

I am under the assumption that Admo will have to take Steven to court to recover this money. That being said, I would think that enforcing a 30k+ judgement against him and recovering any substaintial amount of money is probably slim to none.

I am not sure what the civil judgement laws are like wherever this suit may be filed, but in Florida (where I had lived for years running a large construction co.), judgements fall off the books after 6 or 7 years. If you do not collect within that timeframe, you never will.

Even if Admo is successful in any form of garnishment order, I do not see the 30k+ being paid in full ever.

I wonder if there are any lawyers that would like to give their opinion on this subject Any? Any at all?
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I knew there was a reason I never lend money to gamblers for gambling. I have no problem buying them dinner, a bus ticket or letting them sleep in my room (if I like them), but no money for gambling (I might make an exception for someone I KNEW was good for the amount from other means). And when I write "money to gamblers for gambling," I mean lending money to gamblers for any reason, as I assume they will gamble with it no matter what they may say or intend (Like giving the homeless money for "food" which one suspects will actually be used for booze. Nope, maybe I'll buy them a sandwich instead.). And I realize this situation is different on its face. But in reality, money was given to a gambler and the obvious risk was realized.

I can't imagine finding myself in Mr. Ware's position, as I wouldn't borrow money for gambling (or use money not mine for that purpose). But if somehow I did find myself owing a large sum, I wouldn't be too happy with being dragged over the coals the way he's been. All of this public humiliation and ridicule would seem to me worth something. Maybe I would consider it worth $30K and that you've forfeited the opportunity to be paid back, even though I initially had the intent to repay the debt fully. This would be especially true if $30K was a very large sum to me and hard to come up with.

You might not want to admit it, but I suspect that you know that by making a public spectacle of this (especially with that web site), you have taken the additional risk of hardening Mr. Ware against you. In fact, I suspect that you're trying to get $30K worth of revenge out of it and don't really expect to get any of your money back.

Good luck trying to collect the debt. Even if you win judgment, collection is a whole other matter. The world is full of people who owe money (a lot more than $30K) and keep their assets in the names of others (and many of them are present in the gambling community).

Regardless of your original legitimate beef, if these threads go on much longer, you're going to come off as a whiner, especially since you should have known better.
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tytytyty very much for the update. its like following along with a good tv series. i personally got a hard on when i seen it. i hope these things that will happen to him, involve breaking things.
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Seems about right.
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I can't imagine finding myself in Mr. Ware's position, as I wouldn't borrow money for gambling (or use money not mine for that purpose). But if somehow I did find myself owing a large sum, I wouldn't be too happy with being dragged over the coals the way he's been. All of this public humiliation and ridicule would seem to me worth something. Maybe I would consider it worth $30K and that you've forfeited the opportunity to be paid back, even though I initially had the intent to repay the debt fully. This would be especially true if $30K was a very large sum to me and hard to come up with.
Then you are not much better morally than he is are you? Sorry, but if you steal money from someone then being publicly humiliated does not count against what you owe. Should a bank robber get less jail time if posters of him are circulated around town before he is caught?

EDIT - I'll add I don't know Steve Ware personally at all, so I'm not making a judgment on him, just the situation.
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Old 08-11-2008, 05:07 PM   #25
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ADMO, I will pay Steven's debt off for you, IF his work in the scam at UB actually results in me beeing refunded the $200,000 or $300,000 I lost there. But UB wont send me HH or actually tell me if I am owned any thing, supposedly I am to wait for the second round of refunds to see if I am to receive anything. CURITI
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