They are also stating in an indirect way that you may have been cheating but that they can not really prove it. In any case, DO NOT sign it yet. They did not give you a deadline where you must sign by. And remember, DoJ, if you are a US player, stated that US poker players were doing nothing illegal as far as playing poker online for real money. It was the poker sites that were being criminal. My point is that in an ironic way, you have Cake by the "nuts" and they know it. They are trying to scare you out of making a big deal about this whole thing. As mentioned before, speak to an attorney.........it seams you have the upper hand and Cake knows it.

obviously

Tell them they didn't pay you hush money yet

OP, sorry to hear Cake still hasn't paid you back the 60k. I'm not a lawyer nor do i claim to be very knowledgeable about this NDA since I'm not sure what their real reasoning is for this.

However, I'll give my thoughts about. I find it very weird that they want you to sign something which basicly takes away all your freedom of speech. It doesn't say that they are going to pay you, it could even mean that they are not and you can't talk about it anymore afterwards. It seems to me that Cake wants to protect themselves from more negative publicity rather than to pay. Wouldn't it be in Cake's favour to let the whole world know that they are going to pay you?

To me it feels a bit too shady, they know you want the money, they don't like the negative publicity and want to take away that power from you. After you have signed it, they own you and can decide still not to pay you.

Just my thoughts mate

Someone probably already mentioned that.. but OP even if you get your 60k there is no way you get it off the site. ppl are waiting months for their 3 digits withdrawals and I better dont wanna know how long 60k request would take..

anyway gl

I don't think most ppl itt are properly understanding the purpose of the NDA here. Its not like the kind of NDA michael jackson made the parents who were suing him sign before he gave them money.

My guess is they want him to sign the NDA in order to give him updates/explain whats going on, not as a precondition to giving him 60K. WHich means that the NDA is still binding even if he gets nothing.

Which makes you wonder -- why ask for an NDA if you intend to pay. "I won 60K off a guy and cake stole it from me but after a while they realized their mistake and paid out" or even "I won 60K from a guy and cake stole it from me, but eventually gave 30K back" is a less damaging storyto them then "I won 60K off a guy and cake stole it from me. They want me to sign an NDA crickets)"

The only thing worse than the circkets is OP confirming that they intend to pay him either nothing or a tiny percentage of whats owed.

Remember, if you sign this NDA you have no remedies left if they decide to screw you. You can't file with the KGC, you can't attack them publicly... they could offer you 3.50 and there would be literally nothing you could do.

OP did they say anything to you when they sent it to you?

i haven't kept up with your story so i don't know if you have got your money back.

I would not sign this without your lawyer going through it and probably a good idea to have him/her present when you do sign it.

From what I understand it's just to stop you talking about it, but you don't have to sign it and I am pretty sure you are in your rights to do what you like with the information you have.

p.s this isn't legal advice and i could be wrong

The problem with signing this is clause 5 imo.

Basically, here is what could happen:

You sign the paper, and as soon as you do, they say "we're offering you $500 to settle your 60K claim"

You say no, but now you can't discuss the "negotiations" in public because if you did, they could insta-file a claim under #5 for the full 60K and say "OK now were even steven".. so either you shut up and they keep the 60K because now you can't do anything about it or you keep making this public and they steal the 60K for legal reasons.

IMO, you should not sign the agrement. It seems very likely that it is a prelude to a terrible offer.

If they require the agreement to continue the "negotiations", then theyre not planning to pay you a significant amount of money anyway. The only realistic way youre going to get this money is to file with the KGC... and I wouldnt wait any longer to do it.

Note that signing an NDA would prevent you from filing with the KGC

I would add something like:

If I do not receive the compensation I am owed within 6 months from the return of this NDA, this NDA agreement is void.


Get the thing notarized and then send it back.

If you read the NDA they are claiming that they may release things that are confidential in nature. However, there is no reason to release anything confidential. They don't have to tell OP anything. All OP needs is the end result, aka 60k in account. They are not licensed by the KGC just for your info.

So scummy Cake, so ****ing scummy

IMO it doesnt take that much specialization or even being a lawyer. They are asking for something from OP in return for nothing. Its a bad deal.

When an NDA comes up in a situation like this, its offered as a condition for settlement, not as a condition to negotiating a settlement. IE, michael jacksons lawyers say to the parents of the kids who claimed they were molested "we'll give you 500K but in return you have to STFU about where MJ touched you." If they said "We'll negotiate a settlement with you, but before the negotiation you have to agree to STFU about where MJ touched you before you know what we're going to offer you" no sane person would take it.

Once he signs the NDA, hes basically depending on cake to be nice and make him a good offer. Because if they don't he has zero remedy.

Absolutely NOT, hence why I said what I'd do, not what OP should do.

That's exactly what i was trying to say. I hate being dutch now

Yeah -- the reason (or at least the one i spculate is most likely) is that they want leverage to keep him quiet after they make a terrible offer to settle.

I thought they were KGC but further investigation says Cuaraco egaming, which ive never heard of...