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05-19-2011, 10:01 PM
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centurion
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 124
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Won $50000 / $60000 off a guy on Cake Poker / CakePoker takes my funds! UPDATE: SETTLED
Hi ,
I was wondering if I can get some feedback from you guys and tell me what i can do about this .
Been playing a guy on cakepoker and took 60k off him over last 3-4 days and they locked my account today and took the money I won off him out of my account .
Ill post the emails they sent below .
Thanks Mark.
Hello Mark,
Thank you for your email. Can you please first explain us your relationship with account MaxSteak ?
Kind Regards,
Walter
CakePoker Security.
I replyed that I dont have any relationship with this guy and just played him at the tables .
Then I get ...
One of the partner sites on the Cake Network had a security issue which involved some accounts bringing fraudulently acquired funds to the tables and losing them. Your account was one of the accounts which won funds from one these fraudulent accounts ($60,614.10). We are sure you recognized and understood that the manner in which these accounts were playing against you was not rational poker. We apologize for this unfortunate issue but we cannot allow these funds to be retained in your poker account since they were not legitimate funds to begin with. These funds have now been removed from your account.
Regards,
Cake Poker Security
Back into my account now and the money I won off that guy is gone .
This is so sick what do i do ??
Any info is much appreciated thanks .
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Edit/MH: See
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Originally Posted by LimitBOSS
Hi,
Anyway heres the letter of NDA im going to copy and paste.
I do not know what to do as I do not understand the letter and don't want to sign it until I do.
Anyway Ill copy paste it below any help is much appreciated.
CAKE GAMING N.V.
NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENT
The undersigned party (the "Receiving Party") understands that CAKE GAMING N.V. (the "Disclosing Party") has disclosed or may disclose information that has commercial and other value in the Disclosing Party's business and is confidential in nature including, but not limited to, formulas, computer programs, databases, mask works, technical drawings, algorithms, trade secrets, patents, patent applications, technology, circuits, layouts, names and expertise of employees and consultants, know-how, designs, interfaces, materials, formulas, processes, ideas, inventions (whether patentable or not), schematics and other technical, business, financial, customer and product development plans, supplier information, forecasts, strategies and information, which to the extent previously, presently, or subsequently disclosed to the Receiving Party is hereinafter referred to as "Proprietary Information" of the Disclosing Party.
In consideration of the parties' discussions and any access the Receiving Party may have to Proprietary Information of the Disclosing Party, the Receiving Party hereby agrees as follows:
1.The Receiving Party agrees (i) to hold the Disclosing Party's Proprietary Information in strict confidence as a fiduciary and to take all reasonable precautions to protect such Proprietary Information (including, without limitation, all precautions the Receiving Party employs with respect to its most confidential materials), (ii) not to divulge any such Proprietary Information or any information derived therefrom to any third person, (iii) not to make any use whatsoever at any time of such Proprietary Information except for the sole limited business purposes of evaluating the Proprietary Information internally to determine whether to enter into the currently contemplated agreement with or provide the currently contemplated services to the Disclosing Party, (iv) not to remove or export from the United States or reexport any such Proprietary Information or any direct product thereof except in compliance with and with all licenses and approvals required under applicable export laws and regulations and (v) not to copy or reverse engineer, or attempt to derive the composition or underlying information, structure or ideas of any Proprietary Information. Any employee given access to any such Proprietary Information must have a legitimate "need to know" and shall be similarly bound in writing.
2.Without granting any right or license, the Disclosing Party agrees that the foregoing clauses (i), (ii), (iii) and (v) shall not apply with respect to any information that the Receiving Party can document (i) is (through no improper action or inaction by the Receiving Party or any affiliate, agent, consultant or employee) generally known to the public, or (ii) was rightfully in its possession or rightfully known by it prior to receipt from the Disclosing Party, or (iii) was rightfully disclosed to it by a third party without restriction. The Receiving Party may make disclosures required by court order provided the Receiving Party uses its best efforts to limit disclosure and to obtain confidential treatment or a protective order and has allowed the Disclosing Party to participate in the proceeding.
3.Immediately upon (i) the decision by either party not to enter into the agreement or services contemplated by paragraph 1, or (ii) a request by the Disclosing Party at any time (which will be effective if actually received or three days after mailed first class postage prepaid to the Receiving Party's address herein), the Receiving Party will turn over to the Disclosing Party all Proprietary Information of the Disclosing Party and all documents or media containing any such Proprietary Information and any and all copies or extracts thereof. The Receiving Party under-stands that nothing herein (i) requires the disclosure of any Proprietary Information of the Disclosing Party, which shall be disclosed if at all solely at the option of the Disclosing Party, or (ii) requires the Disclosing Party to proceed with any proposed transaction or relationship in connection with which Proprietary Information may be disclosed.
4.Except to the extent required by law, neither party shall disclose the existence or subject matter of the negotiations or business relationship contemplated by the parties herein.
5.The Receiving Party acknowledges and agrees that due to the unique nature of the Disclosing Party's Proprietary Information, there can be no adequate remedy at law for any breach of its obligations hereunder, that any such breach may allow the Receiving Party or third parties to unfairly compete with the Disclosing Party resulting in irreparable harm to the Disclosing Party, and therefore, that upon any such breach or any threat thereof, the Disclosing Party shall be entitled to appropriate equitable relief in addition to whatever remedies it might have at law and to be indemnified by the Receiving Party from any loss or harm, including, without limitation, attorneys' fees, in connection with any breach or enforcement of the Receiving Party's obligations hereunder or the unauthorized use or release of any such Proprietary Information.
6.The Receiving Party will notify the Disclosing Party in writing immediately upon the occurrence of any such unauthorized release or other breach of which it is aware.
7.In the event that any of the provisions of this Agreement shall be held by a court or other tribunal of competent jurisdiction to be illegal, invalid or unenforceable, such provisions shall be limited or eliminated to the minimum extent necessary so that this Agreement shall otherwise remain in full force and effect. This Agreement shall be governed by the law of British Columbia without regard to the conflicts of law provisions thereof.
8.This Agreement supersedes all prior discussions and writings and constitutes the entire agreement between the parties with respect to the subject matter hereof.
9.The prevailing party in any action to enforce this Agreement shall be entitled to costs and attorneys' fees. No waiver or modification of this Agreement will be binding upon either party unless made in writing and signed by a duly authorized representative of such party and no failure or delay in enforcing any right will be deemed a waiver. The obligations contained herein shall continue in perpetuity.
[Page Break]IN WITNESS WHEREOF, the Receiving Party has executed this Agreement as of the day and year set forth below.
____________________, 2011.
[insert names here]
By
Name
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Edit/MH: See
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Originally Posted by YoureToast
An update:
I undertook representation of OP a couple of weeks ago. As some have rightly speculated, I asked OP not to comment anymore on the thread for the time being.
To answer a couple of questions I know some of you have, no, the matter has not been resolved and no, OP has not signed an NDA. We are in the process of working with Cake management on the matter.
Please do not ask OP or I any questions as we will not respond. Rest assured, when we have more information to report, we will report it here.
Thanks for your understanding.
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Edit/MH: See
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Originally Posted by YoureToast
All,
As an update to this matter, I am pleased to report that LimitBoss's dispute with Cake Poker has been resolved to his satisfaction. Although this has been a difficult and complex process that included certain issues that have not been made public, Cake Poker has acted in an extremely professional manner in handling this and we are satisfied not only with the result but with the manner and the speed with which it has been handled. Although I'm sure many of you will have questions, unfortunately, we will not be able to answer them due to confidentiality reasons.
Thank you.
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Last edited by Mike Haven; 07-28-2011 at 02:19 PM.
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05-19-2011, 10:02 PM
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banned
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Suffolk County
Posts: 991
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Re: Take 60k off a guy on cake and cakepoker takes the funds out of my account wtf
you played THAT bad they thought it was dumping. wow.
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05-19-2011, 10:04 PM
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centurion
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 124
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Re: Take 60k off a guy on cake and cakepoker takes the funds out of my account wtf
By the way this guy has been playing 2/4 - 5/10 on the cakepoker site for about 2 weeks before hand I dont know if he was playing longer than that as I have only been playing there that long myself .
I took most of the money off him at 10/20 25/50 50/100nl .
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05-19-2011, 10:04 PM
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banned
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 489
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Re: Take 60k off a guy on cake and cakepoker takes the funds out of my account wtf
post the hand histories imo
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05-19-2011, 10:05 PM
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centurion
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 124
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Re: Take 60k off a guy on cake and cakepoker takes the funds out of my account wtf
what do you mean I played it bad?
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05-19-2011, 10:06 PM
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journeyman
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 289
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Re: Take 60k off a guy on cake and cakepoker takes the funds out of my account wtf
joke site
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05-19-2011, 10:06 PM
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centurion
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 124
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Re: Take 60k off a guy on cake and cakepoker takes the funds out of my account wtf
The guy was insanely bad yes but what does that matter ? he shouldnt of been able to get that much money on the site if it was fraud ?
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05-19-2011, 10:06 PM
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veteran
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 2,782
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Re: Take 60k off a guy on cake and cakepoker takes the funds out of my account wtf
jotun and treenom posted in the cake feedback thread they had their accounts frozen as well. jotun had his account restored.
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05-19-2011, 10:07 PM
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#9
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centurion
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 124
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Re: Take 60k off a guy on cake and cakepoker takes the funds out of my account wtf
my account is restored but it is 60k short lol
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05-19-2011, 10:08 PM
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grinder
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Milky Way Galaxy
Posts: 481
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Re: Take 60k off a guy on cake and cakepoker takes the funds out of my account wtf
Quote:
Originally Posted by LimitBOSS
This is so sick what do i do ??
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Stop Cheating ???
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05-19-2011, 10:10 PM
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adept
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Poker Mid-Life Crisis
Posts: 1,132
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Re: Take 60k off a guy on cake and cakepoker takes the funds out of my account wtf
Quote:
Originally Posted by LimitBOSS
what do you mean I played it bad?
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He read cake support's response to mean that they were saying you played so bad that it looked like you were chip dumping when they looked at the hand histories. What cake was actually saying is that by his play vs. you, you should be able to see in retrospect, that it was not a normal and rational style but instead the style of someone doing chip dumping.
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05-19-2011, 10:12 PM
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adept
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Poker Mid-Life Crisis
Posts: 1,132
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Re: Take 60k off a guy on cake and cakepoker takes the funds out of my account wtf
Quote:
Originally Posted by LimitBOSS
The guy was insanely bad yes but what does that matter ? he shouldnt of been able to get that much money on the site if it was fraud ?
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Yeah I have it hard to believe he obtained 60k in fraudulent funds. Maybe a few thousand or something, but it's not likely the full amount was obtained fraudulently.
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05-19-2011, 10:12 PM
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grinder
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Milky Way Galaxy
Posts: 481
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Re: Take 60k off a guy on cake and cakepoker takes the funds out of my account wtf
Quote:
Originally Posted by HomeStar
He read cake support's response to mean that they were saying you played so bad that it looked like you were chip dumping when they looked at the hand histories. What cake was actually saying is that by his play vs. you, you should be able to see in retrospect, that it was not a normal and rational style but instead the style of someone doing chip dumping.
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.......and.....if they were Chip Dumping, you probably were well aware of it......so we are taking the 60k out of your account. Thanks for shopping.
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05-19-2011, 10:13 PM
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centurion
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 122
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Re: Take 60k off a guy on cake and cakepoker takes the funds out of my account wtf
And if you lost to this guy...?
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05-19-2011, 10:14 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 14,877
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Re: Take 60k off a guy on cake and cakepoker takes the funds out of my account wtf
It didnt say anything about chip dumping. It said the funds were fraudulent. I agree with OP that its ridiculous that he managed to get 60k of fraudulent funds online to play with. The site needs to eat at least part of the losses here IMO.
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