misia was the reg. i am blanking on the other player's name but it might have been posted in the swcpoker dedicated thread.

They are dedicated, full-time professional grinders. Those with the drive, the desire to nurture and improve their skills, as well as the ability to treat poker like a business can, and do succeed in the US market.

"My point exactly. It is extremely difficult if you run well and sit in front of a computer 50-60+ hrs/wk studying and playing. That's IF you run at or above expectation. There are many, many easier ways to make 100k legally. Thus, "lol, gl w that". And many fewer will make that 100k+ in 2018 than in 2017 obv.

Ignition's lobby changes have killed their games. They are going the way of Merge I guess. I don't blame them as casino/sports make up such a larger piece of the pie. It is too bad for the average US online player, though.

US online poker is in a dreadful state of decline. Maybe the poker club model will provide some respite. Time will tell, but it's working out ok for me so far.

ps - giving swcpoker.eu anything less than 9.9 on your cashout report is odd and inaccurate. They pay in 12 hours and you gave them a 7.5 lol. I know you are prob making more off other sites than them, but the motives for that grade are a little too transparent. Or maybe you just don't know about their cashout times. Which is worse, I'm not sure.

gl, the last word is yours"

It looks like they've updated their site and you can go on there and email/call their customer service, pay and get paid thru BTC (or other methods if you have an agent).

As Kahn said, you'd have to be more specific and the o/u on when I visit this thread again is prob like 2.5 weeks lol so I'd just call them up if you're interested. gl

Had you bothered to actually read the report you'd see that we clearly state that they pay in 3-12 hours. The lowered score is due to a number of factors that are taken into account above and beyond the simple speed of payouts. In this particular case SWC as dinged because:

1) There is no public payout data posted on 2+2, reddit, or other sources that we use to gather data. The lack of public user input specifically stating payout times of said real users along with the fact that the only data we have is internal and thus non-verifiable, is a big factor here. The point of the report is to utilize public and verifiable player data so that anyone wishing to fact check the report (though it would take them quite a few hours of reading) can do so.

2) Lack of payout methods. There's only one. More methods = higher score. They won't be taking fiat any time soon, but the addition of litecoin, ether, etc would help to rectify this particular deficiency.


P.S. I'd love to get some actual payout reports from players on SWC. Please post your cashout experiences in the SWC thread and they will be included: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...3/index74.html

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Kahn

I have played on Bovada and then Ignition for a while and do pretty well. I am curious what you all think about Ignition Vs. America's Cardroom and other rakeback sites. Do you feel you are much more profitable on the rakeback sites?

Some guys excel at anonymous tables because they are great at intuitive nemesis strategy, can ruthlessly exploit their opponents, and don't need rewards to win money. Other guys prefer using detailed HUDs to exploit their opposition, coupled with large volume and equally high rewards in order to make bank.

Different strokes for different folks.

Both sites are within 10% of each other in size so the verdict is pretty split at this point.

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Kahn

Looking for the best site to play somewhat recreationally. I played a ton as a younger man but now I have 2 kids and looking for a good spot to deposit a couple hundred bucks to dick around with a few nights a week. I had a few bucks left on Bovada/Ignition from a previous attempt but looks like their lobbies were pretty empty. I'm in Pennsylvania if that matters.

The lobbies look empty because they hide full tables from view. Only partially filled tables are visible. With that said, softer networks that are more recreational friendly include Chico, Horizon, and Grand.

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Kahn

Carbon/Merge could be your friend also. They are small, best software, and geared toward rec players. See their payout and discussion threads in this forum.

Hey guys i've made a living from poker for over 12 yrs..

I have also been ripped off 220,000 bucks between Wsex 70k stolen and full flush stealing 152,000 they owed me.

anyways... so i've had to start from almost nothing lately and won about 3000 playing mtt's mostly on bovada..

I dont want to play cash games unless i'm playing maybe at least nl 400 cuz the rake is so high i belive thats its basically about unprofitable unless some really big fish in the game.

I'd like to play a ton of mtt's at once.. at least 4 to 8 .. but this is hard to do on Bovada/ Ignition...

Any advice on how i can make a living playing Mtt's from usa / and make a living playing poker anymore... it seems hard to do esp with a smaller bankroll ... I can't belive i'm playing lower stakes as i'm use to playing at least nl 400 up to nl 1000 most of the time.. but due to major ripoffs by Wsex and Full Flush Poker this is my life now.

What u guys think? thanks

wpn (acr/bcp/true/others) is probably your best bet. usa-friendly, lots of mtt traffic, p2p transfers, solid cashouts

What's the best way to get a micro-deposit of <$50 onto acr? On their website it says you can do bitcoin and in the FAQ it says customer service will help you find other ways to get money on the site.

Also are there rakeback deals and stuff like that available?

I recommend bitcoin as well.

The rakeback deal is 27%. That is all that is offered and all that is allowed to be offered, both by the sites and by rakeback affiliates.

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Kahn

you might try the transfer threads as well. you could send someone boa/wells/bitcoin/perhaps other in exchange for a p2p transfer on acr. make sure you do your research and trade with someone legitimate

I would definitely say to continue playing on Ignition. The games are soft, and the anonymity of it seems to make people just spaz more.

Any US players recently attempt to make a deposit to Ignition, America's Cardroom, or BetOnline using a credit card or re-loadable prepaid card?

I"m getting back into the online game and these appear to be the biggest and safest US facing sites from what I've read. In the past many banks and card processors blocked transactions to poker sites. Just wondering if anyone has successfully made a deposit this way particularly with a prepaid card and which type of card did you use (i.e. AMEX, VISA, MC)?

I'm just looking to deposit maybe $50 or $100 on one or two sites so I can play more than freerolls in my spare time. Thanks all for your help.

any Visa cc should work just fine

Meh, only about 55-65% go through. If you have issues I highly recommend using bitcoin.

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Kahn

I play at ignition. Highly recommend them. I don't have lag issues most of the time. Sometimes it's slow but never effects the game. I like the zone poker and the easy deposit and withdrawal with bitcoin . For those hesitant about bitcoin do like I did just deposit small 25-50 try the site out I think you will like fishing here . I do mean lots of big fish........ one negative stay out of casino and casino bonus it will show you having credit at the casino but if u lost they take it straight out of your balance . Very scammy I had a long talk with them about this but just chalked it up to me being stupid for even playing the casino. Overall the site has very good customer service and some decent bonuses. a

Use your debit card to get bitcoin and then fund at ignition takes like 5 minutes to set it up

See Bodog- Bovada/Ignition Discussion Thread.

Where can one go to purchase Bitcoin?

It depends on where one is located geographically.


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Kahn

all i see on Twitch now is people streaming from Pokerstars and party poker and it seems like the Progressive Bounty tournaments are the new popular fun thing to be playing, does any USA sites like WPN, Chico or dare i say global poker plan on implementing these types of tourns anytime soon ? These PKO tourns make regular bounty tourns look not as fun

No plans that I am aware of, though it could be in the works somewhere. WPN seems to come up with the most original ideas (and also to copy PokerStars a lot too lol). They'd be the most likely candidate IMHO.

They have a sponsored subforum here in Internet Poker. Go there and make a post. The WPN tournament director posts here. Global also has a sponsored sub where you could ask them.

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Kahn

It's sad to see so many US players coming in here looking for a place to play. Little do they know just how bad the US market has become.

Seriously guys, don't get into poker here in 2017 if you're an American. It's totally not worth it. You will make more money doing literally anything else you can think of. Anything. It's the least lucrative and productive activity you could partake in at this point. I can't make it much clearer.

You can't play what you want when you want, there's tons of bots, collusion, house players, cheating, etc, cashing out is always made painful, and the cash game is basically broken and exposing just how flawed of a game poker is in the first place. Once you put 6 regs at a table, there's no reason to play anymore lol. It's literally a broken game.

If you're ROW, it's a completely different story. You have all options and venues available to you and the game is still alive and well. Here in the US, I honestly don't think any game is played less than poker at this point. I'm absolutely positive that Candy Crush is more popular today.

I see folks recommending WPN: Why would you do that to someone? You know they're never going to make any money on there.

Just because you can't beat these sites for a profit doesn't mean other people can't. Many people are, and doing quite well financially. In fact, the ROW networks are tougher than the US networks from a general point of view.

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