The Bodog thread really isn't the place for questions about, or reviews of, WPN. They have a forum here, as well as threads in this forum.

Posters who are talking about leaving one US-facing site for another US-facing site are usually US players, and thus unable to play on iPoker.

I thought this is the where can US players play thread and the subject of WPN came up bc bovada butchered their software. Naturally, other poker sites are going to be discussed. I didn't want to b**tch and complain for 40 pages on bovadas nonsense. I'm seeking a solution and letting everyone here know that WPN seems like a legitimate solution so far. Ive been on bovada for three years and this is the first time I played elsewhere. I still prefer Bovada but I can warm up to WPN and play there for the time being.

This is why people do put up with WPN. Best rewards of any U.S. facing site (and perhaps ROW now that Stars neutered their program) and their withdrawals are same day with bitcoin.

This. I HATE Bovada's method of joining tables.

It is. I moved your posts from the Bodog thread, where one like this definitely doesn't belong:

WPN had a better rewards program than Stars before Stars nerfed their program.

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Kahn

Okay,

I'm better prepared to review ACR for those of you thinking of switching from bovada. I play 6max 5NL.

I was able to multitable with ease this time. 5NL is 5NL without the bovada whales. There are still fishy tendencies but its far and few between. ACR is more like a reg and nit infested site. I still win there, it's just much slower.

The software is not as smooth as bovada once was. It's not unbearable. I actually can play it for hours without getting annoyed. The most annoying thing to me so far is the fact that the lobby gui sucks. I'm on the beta version MAC poker client and it definitely seems like I'm on a beta version p.o.s.

The gui is like something you'd see in the 90s. I can't see any tables upon opening the site if I immediately log in. The only way around it is that I have to press cancel and log in later. There is no way to easily see your roll amount. Again, you may have to click on your profile inside the poker client and it may or may not come up. The lobby is unpredictable on the MAC.

All in all, I'll put up with this but my time here will be short lived. I do like that the competition is better because that makes me better.

I still like bovada better. I miss you bovada. I'm ready to come home but not without a deposit bonus. LOL

Honestly dude get Parallels and use the PC client for ACR...it's so much better it's not even close. I actually enjoy the PC client for ACR/BCP. Love the hot keys to sit out or sit back in all at once too.

The Mac version is just so awful I could never see myself grinding on it.

Yeah the Mac version is bad and not complete yet, PC version is solid. But get a virtual box instead of parallels, it's free

Thanks for the advice guys...

I guess I was having a little meltdown earlier, lol. I reinstalled the beta version and it worked better. I also spent the last two hours grinding and made money. I still feel confident about my play on ACR even without a hud.

I'll take your advice and get the virtual box. ACR isn't too bad and if that fixes the gui issues, i'm there to stay.

The 5NL players are typical 5NL players. The games actually run faster bc more ppl fold. Less people chase. There's still those whales coming through to go All in w/ Q4o.

What I really appreciate about ACR is how convenient they make it for grinders. Multitable. Option to sit out the bb on all tables with the click of a button. Auto Top off and Rebuy. The better competition makes me better. I like it there. Funny thing is, Bovada emailed me to remind me that I have poker points and can convert them to cash to make sports bets. I may do that this weekend.

Yeah not gonna lie for grinding ACR is your best option. I love how quick the cash outs are too. I just can't be convinced the win rate there could be comparable to what you can get on Bovada. To be fair though I haven't really given ACR a fair shake though...logged very few hands on there.

The flip side is while it makes sense for 5 NL to be fishy on any site, I wonder if your impression will be the same at say 50 or 100 NL.

So, I got curious and Bovada crashed last night while I had KK, so I was pretty pissed off at Bovada. Instead of playing on there, I played 10 NL on WPN just because I was curious about the level of competition...and holy **** balls those guys suck. You will get fat value but it's just in a different way. Your fat value will come from laying traps, exploiting tendencies and getting regs to over extend themselves.

So yes, you won't get 3 bets with TPGK and get a fish to call all 3 bets while being out kicked. However, you will be able to get plenty of value just playing good poker.

The interesting thing is most of the regs are LAG on there, or they try to be, but they do a pretty piss poor job at it. IE they 3B too much, check raise too much, and 2nd and triple barrel too much...so all you have to do is fight back when it makes sense pre and post just let them hang themselves when you have a good hand.

The big bummer though is I read the other day that it looks like bit coin is starting to fail, so if that happens that would definitely impact cash outs on WPN, but people always say the sky is falling when it comes to finance and currency so may never happen and WPN still has the debit card option anyway.

I share your sentiments on WPN. I play 5NL there. I came from bovada a few days ago. I was a winning player on bovada. I'm a winner so far on WPN. The players aren't as bad as bovada but they still are bad.

I flopped trips once on a rainbow. Called his donk bet bc I didn't want to scare him off (the trap your referring to). Rag turn card but made backdoor flush possible. He went all in w/ air on that rag turn card. No flush draw, no trips, no pocket pair, just air. 5NL is 5NL. The difference is if I raised the flop with trips, a bovada villain would call while the WPN Villian folds. If you lay the trap, WPN villain still makes a fishy play later. They are much tighter at WPN so you have to adjust to it but it's still very exploitable

I actually think I'm increasing more than I did on bovada b/c the dealing of cards doesn't seem as dirty. Bovada loved to have sets vs sets, QQ vs KK vs AA. All kind of combinations to induce shoving on the river.

I'm very satisfied with WPN. My only complaint will most likely be solved when I run the virtual box on my mac. I don't use a hud and I'm still winning. I may get one soon because I'd be interested in an in depth analysis of my play style.

As far as bit coin, I read an article that said bit coin is just an experiment so a person using it should be ok with losing any money if that experiment were to fail. I just used my credit card to deposit on WPN. I get 2% back on every dollar spent. Even depositing into poker sites, lol.

Yeah Bovada definitely seemed to have a lot more coolers and action flops, which I'm sure is just variance, but eh some of the stuff I saw on zone made me cranky. I don't think it's rigged but I also don't think they tried too hard when they programmed the RNG.

All in on turn with air on a paired board...yeah that's a great move lol. I raised in CO with AA, folded around to BB who 3-bet me. Given how aggressive these guys are, and most of their 3 bets vs. BTN and CO from blinds are bluffs, I decided to flat to keep his junk in. He then checks the flop, I bet 1/2 pot and he ships it over me. I insta call and he flips over QQ. Maybe he would have GII if I just 4-bet him pre but yeah lol I don't see how worse calls him in that spot...only two pairs, sets and KK-AA will call that ship. As you said, 5 NL is 5 NL, 10 NL is 10 NL, and so on.

The PC version is superior by far...I think you'll definitely enjoy playing on WPN a lot more once you virtual box / parallels / whatever it.

Bit coin is basically just a nice way to withdraw without having to pay any collection fees on checks. Depositing isn't a big issue. I use Circle as an intermediary, so I keep the funds in USD anyway, so I don't have to worry about bitcoin value fluctuations. Still, even without bit coin, they're just as good as Bovada on cash outs from what I've read and as long as bitcoin exists they're far superior.

Not to derail the thread, but what card is that? Fidelity? Citi double cash?

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I don't think it's fair to say it's only an experiment at this point, since it is getting some real use, and a lot of real investment.

If you went 10 years into the future, a bitcoin will most likely be worth either less than $10 or more than $5000 (it's just under $400 now). No one knows for sure to what degree it'll catch on, if insurmountable problems will arise, if it'll become the "internet of money", or if it'll have a continuing, but more limited use.

But in the couple of days it might take you to set things up for poker use? It's unlikely that anything drastic will happen. While you should obviously never risk anything you can't afford to lose, I wouldn't worry about whatever amount you're depositing to or withdrawing from a poker site being held as bitcoins for a few days.

ok so bovada no longer has stud.

any other 'active" stud sites on US??

Merge Network. Stud and Horse.

I thought Merge removed Stud and Horse?

No, they just removed withdrawals as far as I know.

Could have fooled me. Two cashouts this month- 1st, 9 days, 2nd, 8 days. See Merge Deposit/Withdrawal Thread.

They did remove Stud and Horse. The only network that I'm aware of that still has stud games running is WPN. The games have only run sporadically but now with Bovada not offering Stud, the WPN games might increase a bit.

Good to hear they finally got their **** together. I unsubscribed from that thread once I got my cash out though...too bad given that they do have pretty good software and MTTs imo. I think a lot of players (myself included) simply don't trust them with our money anymore.

I actually watched a table of a stud game last night, before I posted.

Limit 7 Stud hi/low 8 tournament ran @ 3:30pm today.

I was referring to Stud cash games. The person who you replied to ('the pleasure') when he mentioned that Bovada ended its Stud games, I think, was also referring to cash games.