So what site is the best to..let's say deposit 100$ on and grind NL10 in PA? Bovada? Best site for low stakes PLO?

"The Beast" is a promotion that WPN is running that creates more rake but gives out two jackpots a day and also has rake races going. I've heard the volume there is solid, just need to be able to beat the rake.

Nope. Bovada's "fast fold" offerings have more volume. (see below for Beast grinding)

Two payouts per month. The volume is good but the way it's set up, most low stakes players lose money until they get paid their Beast payment, at least at lower stakes. The profit is loaded on the back end. It's possible to play thousands of hands an hour there though, specially for the first week of each 2 week period when everyone is grinding hard.

There isn't a best site as a blanket statement, though there may be a best site for you. At 10NL, WPN would be good, Bovada would be soft (4 game limit), Merge would work (best software). Insofar as PLO goes, you can find smaller stakes PLO on all 3 networks.


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Just downloaded ACR and it looks like it is only a playmoney site. Did I miss something? I don't even see a place to deposit/cashout.

Where else is there good, micro-stakes start for US (AZ) residents to play? Already on Bovada.

Anybody ever heard of/played on Grid Poker (BTC only)? Only interested bc I'm dying to play some FL 2-7, which they evidently spread (in addition to some other mixed games).

Is the "Beast payment" just rakeback that you receive twice a month?

You went to the .net site you need to download from americascardroom.eu

Merge, WPN, possibly SWC and Intertops depending on how many tables you prefer to play at a time and/or if you're willing to multi-site.

In the proper use of the word "rakeback" no. Beast drop s not rake, so the return of it is not rakeback. Rakeback comes from the flat rakeback program giving 27% weighted contributed.

Alternatively there is a VIP system called Elite Benefits which rewards players based on their volume and can go as high as 60%+. This is also not "rakeback" in the true sense of the word, it's VIP rewards that return part of player's rake based on the dealt methodology of rake calculation.


The beast is a progressive rake race with it's own 25c per hand that sees a flop drop. Thus The Beast payments are a return of what one contributed to said progressive rake race and would be termed "beastback" if you care to use the same naming scheme, but most of us just call it Beast payments


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I've read almost all this thread and seems like Bovada and Carbon are the most popular for US players.
I've tried both and seems like Carbon is better for me (at least I was able to use HUD there). Don't know the limits you are playing but there is a lot of NL10/NL25 6-max action at both rooms.

Never tried Juicy but I've read it is more risky to play there and they have such errors that you've described periodically.

Does any site provide enough traffic for 6-8 tabling microstakes? Anything from 5nl-25 NL. Currently play 2NL and 5NL on BCP for practice and its not too bad, but id consider it extremely rare to see 6 tables up at a time for any given stake.

Screenshots of the lobbies:

Merge: http://vvcap.net/db/QABP780CwGLho76hxazv.htp

WPN (ACR): http://vvcap.net/db/VUcMW_fy32q-DPi8_86j.htp

Intertops: http://vvcap.net/db/5Q1PyikPVvcnESR4d5He.htp


You could also multi-site (with the help of Table Tamer) and add in 4 tables at Bovada and 4 tables wherever else.


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Kahn

Hello everyone, I have been browsing through this long massive thread trying to find some poker sites for KY players. I downloaded and checked out Bovada but don't care much for it since you can't see the names of the players. I searched for WPN but I'm confused about it. Is it a site or a network group of different sites ?

I'm looking for a good site to play low limits in different games. I usually play like 25/50 cents up to $1/2 limit and no limit. Just depends on my bank roll what I play the most. I usually like to start off low and build.

Can you all recommend some decent sites that will allow KY players ? The sites doesn't have to have a lot of traffic. Years back i seem to do better on lower traffic sites then i did high traffic sites but i'll play on both.

I haven't played in years so I hope to find some site that I can relax and play online again in my free time.. Thanks

See the OP: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...97&postcount=1

See http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/21...poker-network/

Thanks for trying to help. I seen that all ready. That was the first post i viewed when searching for my answer on google.

So Revolution and WPN are networks that have different sites on them ? I'm confused about them. Like when i revolution poker it leads to lock poker.

Its been a few years since i played any poker at all and my memory is lacking so forgive me for sounding like such a newbie.

Its my understanding americacardroom is part of the WPN but I read that they don't allow KY players. Same for true poker as well. Has anything changed and they now allow KY players ?

Yes.

Official links, please? (It's possible that the OP should be updated.)

http://www.pokersites.us/real-money/

Also seen it mention on other links searching through google

Thank you.

I see that True doesn't allow Kentucky - see official link http://www.truepoker.eu/poker-suppor...nd-conditions/

ACR doesn't show their T&C on their home page, afaics.

Check out WPN's Black Chip Poker. It's about as good as it's going to get for us at this point. The software is pretty much the best as far as what's available to us right now and it supports both PokerTracker4 and Holdem Manager 2.

Some people have had great cash out times, others found it a little too long for their liking, but either way the bottom line is that you truly do get paid in the end.

I was thinking about switching from intertops to winning poker network. Which skin on that network is the consensus best? or most popular?

^^ America's Cardroom and Black Chip Poker are probably the two best options on WPN. Virtually identical in most quantifiable ways (Elite rakeback programs are the same too, just different names for the various levels). True Poker is basically the same as well - but I'd say ACR and BCP lead because of the additional ease of player-to-player transfer ability here on 2+2 (more reported value trades of ACR and BCP than any other skin/room).

But if you're not going to trade funds, and you're going the straight deposit/withdrawal way, any of the three are just as good as the other.

True only offers HU games with $200 buyin and below where as ACR and BCP have the entire suite of games. Other than that, to an end user, there is really no difference.


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Kahn

Question for everyone. I am sick and tired of waiting for california to do something with regards to online poker legislation. Are Carbon and Bovada legit for usa players? I understand that online poker isn't "illegal" in California, but how do they get around the Unlawful internet gambling act with regards to deposits and withdrawls? For someone who still has some 3K still stuck on "fulltilt" poker almost three years later I am a little apprehensive about making a deposit on these sites with the potential of the DOJ seizing their sites like they did fulltilt and poker stars. Any advice and/or info on the legitimacy of these sites would be greatly appreciated. TY

Also, how are Carbon and Bovada for multi tabling sng's?

1) Sites don't operate like they did pre BF. They'd be considerably more difficult for the DOJ to shut down.

2) Both Merge (Carbon is a skin there) and Bovada are legit and have paid players for 9 and 19 years respectively as offshore companies.

3) Merge has up to 18 tables of SNGs allowed, assuming you can find enough action. Bovada has a maximum of 4 cash games at a time, of which SNGs are cash games. Bovada runs softer and higher stakes games more regularly, while Merge has more rewards/promos.



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What are sites that allow P2P transfer and are mac-compatible these days?

Mac compatible: Bovada, Carbon/Aced Poker, Pokerhost, Intertops, Seals With Clubs - of those, only Intertops allows P2P transfers.

WPN rooms America's Cardroom, Black Chip Poker, and True Poker also allow P2P transfers, but don't offer a mac compatible option at this time.