Bovada and WPN would likely be good options for you depending on what state you reside in.

Merge and WPN

More are running now that Sit and Crush is active, but not as much as Merge.


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Kahn

Should Chico be added to this list? I'm in Maryland and they accepted me. (Haven't tried a payout yet)

Though some people, affiliates, companies are willing to work with them again, I'm not entirely sold on Chico. I suppose neither are some of the higher level moderators here at 2+2. There are numerous threads here in the Internet Poker forum about them stealing players bankrolls as well as a long period of little to now payout activity.

It is said that they are under new management now and things have improved, but I'm still weary and until I were willing to risk my own money on them, I couldn't in good conscience recommend them to others. Judging by many posts of 2+2's advertising manager, I suppose he feels similarly. I suppose this why they aren't on the list (or Lock for that matter).

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Kahn

Hi there, been grinding 10nl on stars for a while but now living in the US. What is the best site for 25nl? (most fish, best software, decent deposit and cashout) thanks - not a big fan of bovada I need more than four tables

Welcome to poker Hell. Let us know when you'll be moving back out of the country. You'll see what I'm talking about shortly.

Concerning WPN, their 'Sit N Crush' promo is largely considered to be an epic failure. Good luck trying to grind out a decent win rate with any SNG action there.

Traffic has quadrupled since pre-SNC. WPN does not consider that an epic failure. Some denizens of 2+2 might, but 2+2'ers complain about everything. Very few people come to 2+2 to voice happy thoughts.


For 25NL I'd recommend you check out Merge Gaming (Carbon/Aced/PokerHost) and Intertops on Revolution if you're looking to grind > 4 tables at a time. Bovada, where you already are, has the softest games however, so don't discount them


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Kahn

Is it hard to withdraw on Carbon Poker? Do they scam you ?

it's easy - they send a check after a couple/several weeks. no they don't scam you.

No.

No.


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Kahn

Sorry one last thing, carbon or intertops in terms of traffic/fish/first deposit or rakebake bonus? This is at 25nl

Carbon you need to rake a ton to get any rakeback. Intertops pays 36% released in $10 increments.

Carbon/Aced/PokerHost (Merge Network) has more traffic than Intertops at 25NL (about even at 50NL).

Merge has the larger deposit bonus, but Intertops clears faster (6.7% vs ~20% for rakeback player).

VIP tiers on Carbon/Aced require $50 a month in rake for 10% rewards and $500 a month in rake for 15% rewards. There is also a 35% tier but it is invitation only so you may never get access to it.

Intertops has 36% rakeback out the gate.


Due to the way poker ecosystems work, rooms with lower rewards tend to have softer games because more of the marginal players that rely on rewards for profit leave, ensuring better fishro ratios for those who remain.


Either room should be good for your needs at 25NL. And if not, play both using some software assistance like Table Tamer.


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Kahn

I forgot to add the VIP program on PokerHost (another Merge skin) varies a bit from Carbon/Aced's plan. The percentages are the same but the rake amount/method varies. On PokerHost, it takes $300 of LIFETIME (as opposed to monthly) rake to get the 10% tier and $3,000 of LIFETIME rake to get the 2nd tier which is 15%. Once earned, the tiers are good forever. The third tier is exactly the same... 35%, but invitation only as determined by Merge management's proprietary and secret formulas.


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Kahn

I've been playing 6max cash on Carbon and at 25NL which I've been playing at I can at max get 8 tables going at once for an hour or two. How can I get more volume? I have been playing on Carbon for a while and have faith in their cash outs as I have received the money I've requested from them in the past. Should I attempt to play a few sites at once, or just suck it up?

Obv attempt, unless you are an underolled bum who doesn't have enough of a BR spread out on multiple/remaining U.S. sites...

Personally, not so long ago, I had no choice but to "grind simultaneously" on the top 3 of the remaining U.S. sites, just to be able to get sufficient HU action.

Well, you could add 4 more tables via Bovada. You could add a few more tables at Intertops (though they have considerably more 50NL traffic than 20NL since few people seed the 20NL games). You could at 50 tables at WPN, but you'd be grinding in The Beast. Unless you were planning on putting in 50k+ hands every 2 weeks, I'd steer you away from that at 25NL. The Beast is a good promo for the heavy grinders, but the casual players at 25NL get the short end of the stick on WPN if they don't make use/value the MTT tickets.

You could use Table Tamer to help you multi-site.


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Kahn

On Americas Cardroom(Winning Poker Network), with their debit card :

Requested cashout - Jan 3 (Friday)
Processed - Jan 6 (Monday morning)
Cash in hand - Jan 6 (Monday afternoon)

Also if anyone's interested in their sportsbook...I actually transferred money from my poker account into the sportsbook a couple of weeks ago to bet on a UFC fight. Won, then rolled it over an another UFC card and won. Then transferred the money back to the poker account, then immediately made this withdrawal request. Transferring back and forth from poker to the sportsbook was instant both ways. They are affiliated with Bookmakers, probably the oldest and most reliable sportsbook online. Me likey. And me lovey their debit card. =D

That actually is good to know. Ah, sometimes life is good. I occasionally dabble in sports betting so I thank you for the info.

While the sportsbook that backs the WPN poker skins is A+ rated and one of the best run operations out there, I wouldn't bet on it from the Poker Skins if I were you. You'll get far better lines elsewhere (or directly with the sportsbook itself rather than via a WPN poker skin).


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Kahn

ACR matches the exact lines from Bookmakers and only post them when Bookmakers does. I monitor it several times a day because I was curious before I made my bets. I haven't investigated, but from my observations I believe Bookmakers uses ACR as one of their outlets to sports bettors. Their lines and timing were exactly in sync.

can you play on ACR with mac? these no mac clients is pretty ridiculous, this isn't the year 2000 where apple wasn't so popular.

No, not without running a windows emulator (e.g. Parallels). Bovada and Merge are the only US facing sites with native mac clients.

I'm going to try out winning poker. Are there any differences in the ACR skin vs the BCP skin? Are rakeback and bonuses identical?

Good choice.

Zero, save for color scheme in the poker clients.

Yes. Only difference is in how they delineate the rakeback program. ACR uses military ranks, while BCP uses a more generic "Player"/"Rounder" delineation.