I'm not sure how to say this in a typed medium that may not come off offensively but, quite frankly, you're wrong. And that is a good thing. If every Joe Six-Pack client could figure out operations and processing, then the sites wouldn't be particularly safe. Your ignorance, and indeed, the ignorance of the masses, is a great thing insofar as increasing the protection of the sites, who NO LONGER OPERATE AS FTP, PS, UB, AP did when they were busted by the DOJ.

Also, the information you posted is detrimental to the safety of your own funds and that of your fellow players. Please don't go around posting specifics of transactions in public online forums.


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Kahn

So I'll try to a lot less condescending than someone else who responded to your question. It is common for people who have only lived in the U.S. their whole life to think that if it's not American approved/sponsored that it must be cheap, crooked, or a scam. Why do we play on these other sites? Because they have been around for years, they don't steal your money, they have customer service reps, and they are running a business the same as someone from downtown Chicago would. The shady sites, and there are some, get pointed out on 2+2 very quickly and the smart poker player will avoid them. As a community we inform each other and that's why thousands of us have no problem playing on sites like Black Chip, Bovada, Carbon, and a few others. It doesn't have to be 'regulated' by America to be a good product.

Maryland players can play on BetOnline. I think that is our only option.

lol you are a moron and completely misunderstood my question.

I dgaf if you and your moron "friend" play on some bs site that is in a state that is unregulated. the question was WHY do you play, WHY do you feel comfortable putting your money on a site that at ANY moment in time the feds could shut down?

(and I don't play .1/.2 stakes like you and your "friend" do LOL so the money I would have on the site would be significant)

No, you just didn't explain it properly. That's not my fault. English - Do you speak it?

You need to do a little research. The sites we're putting our money down on are basically invulnerable to the US government. They have no jurisdiction over them or the funds we keep on their site. Our money is safe. These sites we're talking about are not based in the US or any of it's states. How are you this out of the loop?

And yes, I'm still playing microstakes as I've yet to see even 9k hands of poker. I just started playing. However, if someone as point blank stupid and ignorant as you moved up to the higher stakes well then that's quite encouraging to me.

Within 7 days of BF, I made a deposit on the Merge network as I had no other choices. The only uncomfortable moments I've had in 2+ years involved making decisions at the poker tables. Just sayin...

hows the action on WPN vs Carbon? never played WPN before..

as far as micro/low SNGs n MTTs

Merge has many more MTTs. The SNG comparison is hard to make because WPN just started the Sit and Crush promotion 4 days ago which is, from what I can tell, quintupling the (albeit small) traffic they had beforehand.


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Kahn

The traffic had climbed considerably over the last two weeks even before the Sit and Crush. It's actually not too bad these days. I'm on Intertops as well and the traffic on WPN is much, much higher.

edit: I just logged on and looked: You're right - Traffic has actually exploded in response to the Sit and Crush.

Watch out Bovada players. Bodog's been getting heat.

http://www.safestpokersites.com/blog...t-wanted-list/

It was not the exact information Kahn, i said "something like". I was just making the point that they were deceiving the bank by saying it was a different company then what it was. I also said i hoped I was wrong...don't see how being realistic is being ignorant.

I just want to say I have played on these sites since a week after black Friday. I hope they continue to run because i play several times a week and want to continue to do so. I see your side of things, so don't worry about offending me

And why would you make such a point if keeping the sites out of trouble is in your best interest?

Man, do we really have some dumb mf'ers in this thread.

If you think the federal government is surfing a 2+2 thread to build a case against someone you are truly oblivious.

Honestly, do you think him outing the fake company is going to be the hot lead the DOJ uses to take them down? I guarantee there are DOJ agents on every US facing site taking diligent notes of what the processes are and what the processing looks like during cash outs.

Going back through this thread, and I had to stop here. WTF?? LHE action on Bovada is amaaaaaaaazing. I feel like this has to be some kind of lie told to prevent new regs from entering the games, because holy cow, these games are sweet, all the way up to 30/60 (highest Bovada offers). I played in a 6m 10/20 just last night where it was me and five legit superfish.

Edit: and if games aren't running, sit alone and start them! Every time when there's been no 8, 10, 20, or 30 game I've sat and have gotten a game going within 5 minutes.

Merge (Sportsbook, gohorsebetting, aced, carbonpoker, playersonly), Revolution, and WPP. Does any1 know when pokerstars will be coming back to U.S?, b/c these sites suck.

There is no "WPP". It's WPN and it's actually not that bad with all of the new features and changes. At the very least I think everyone can agree that being able to log on and play poker 24/7 is better than nothing.

The casino lobbies are against PokerStars entering the US market. And with bad actor clauses in most bills. I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.


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Kahn

I've been playing @ Pokerstars for about 4 years before BF and was seriously thinking about becoming a Pro. But BF ruined my dreams.

I'm now trying to come back and see that the situation is more or less stable. Seems like Bovada is the best choice. Looks like Carbon is not bad but I don't see much traffic on my limits.

re: pokerstars
The only chance for their come back in the US is if they will buy several offline casinos and will make their own lobby.

People, stop posting bad and nonsensical information. The only thing PokerStars has to do to get back in the U.S. market is partner with 1 land based casino and then it will sign all the intra-state compacts, thus putting them in every U.S. state that allows online poker. PokerStars will be back. This year has been good for online legislation in the U.S. and who knows what next year will bring.

While I agree that his post wasn't all that accurate, yours has a few problems a well - they already are partnered with a land-based NJ casino, yet they didn't get approval to start in NJ with everyone else. It could be that they get approval soon, but no one really knows for sure. And there is no reason to believe they can or will get themselves into any other state at this point in time - NV has a specific "bad-actor" clause that would keep Stars out for 5 years, and DE has only one site, run by the state on 888.com software.

Of course the situation is ever-changing - probably the best place on 2+2 for accurate info on this is the Poker Legislation forum:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/57...ought-you-ppa/

I am sure this has been covered but i was wondering what sites i can withdraw and deposit if any using bitcoin is the us? and does this help the cashout time?
exactly what is the process if there is one?

otherwise what other site can i play on in the US not in NV or NJ that dont have huge issues?

Seals With Clubs is the top Bitcoin poker room for US players. Cashout times are inside of 24 hours, most often. The process depends on your familiarity with bitcoins, but - once you deposit on SWC, you get chips. 1 BTC = 1,000 chips, and you use those to enter into tournaments or cash games like any other room.

Bovada (US-facing room on Bodog Network)

Merge Network
Carbon Poker
Aced Poker
Pokerhost

Winning Poker Network
America's Cardroom
Black Chip Poker
True Poker

Revolution Network
Intertops Poker (invite only for US players)
Juicy Stakes

Other rooms - proceed with heavy caution. Avoid places like Lock Poker, in particular.

Merge no longer accepts Nevada residents? Is this correct?

What's the next best option for MTTs with synchronized breaks?