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Old 11-04-2009, 05:37 PM   #16
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Re: What is happening with Everleaf? Are we going on another scandal?

How is this network profitable when they average 200 players according to poker scout?
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Old 11-04-2009, 06:20 PM   #17
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How is this network profitable when they average 91 players according to poker scout?
FYP, unless I'm missing something.
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Old 11-05-2009, 01:14 PM   #18
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Re: What is happening with Everleaf? Are we going on another scandal?

Thans for the good news ELG, (if its true ofcourse).

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How is this network profitable when they average 200 players according to poker scout?
Dont believe everything u read
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Old 11-05-2009, 01:25 PM   #19
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Everleaf Gaming Network is growing and soon will combine its Euro network (UPN) with the USD network (ELG), effectively doubling in size. To do this, we will be deploying the multicurrency system by the end of the year. Also, we are adding new payment methods. These and other developments prompted us to develop a new cashier system.

This is where we made a mistake and, to speed up things, relied on a third-party development, which didn’t work well with our systems.

Long story short, not only our ability to process cash outs but also to accept deposits was hindered because of these developments. That’s why, while most of the cash outs and deposits go through flawlessly, some get stuck. Since cash flow is not a problem, we manage to process the money manually, where possible. But sometimes the funds get stuck with the payment providers or in-between.

We know that this terribly affects our players, our reputation and ability to function properly. The good news is that we are almost done fixing up the system and in a week or so all cash outs will be processed as before - within 24-48 hours. We’ll also be able to accept deposits as before.

One thing I can guarantee is that there is no “scandal” coming up and there will be no unpaid players. We are 2 years old and, trust me - we went through much tougher times when we were unprofitable and struggling to survive. Those were the times when we got tested by lack of cash and new technology. Today it is simply a technical matter for which we have a solution. We are grateful for and humbled by the patience our licensees and their players have afforded us. We will not let them down.

As of Danny and George, they work for our licensees and, although we have no control over their posting activities, we'll remind them not to leave their players in the cold and keep providing the updates.
can you add this to the official ELG homepage ? its get a bit more Thrustworthy ;-)
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Old 11-06-2009, 07:13 AM   #20
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Re: What is happening with Everleaf? Are we going on another scandal?

To update you, it seems that we've managed to clear all bottlenecks and the funds are moving faster now. By Wednesday there should be no one left waiting for their cash outs. If you have any concerns, please let your Support rep know or write to payments@everleafgaming.com.
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How is this network profitable when they average 200 players according to poker scout?
It's very difficult to get to the point where you have 200 players, especially on 2 networks not sharing their liquidity. However, it's not difficult to be profitable once you get there. Mind you, we are not talking PokerStars-profitable here. Although it’s not very complicated, I can't really explain here how to do it. If you have a network or a cardroom with 200 players and you're not profitable – let me know and we might be able to help you streamline your operations as well

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Old 11-06-2009, 10:13 AM   #22
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To update you, it seems that we've managed to clear all bottlenecks and the funds are moving faster now. By Wednesday there should be no one left waiting for their cash outs. If you have any concerns, please let your Support rep know or write to payments@everleafgaming.com.
Hi there Manager ELG,

While you are here, can you please tell us the reason Danny Gilbert is totally shafting his templedupoker players?

Don't come back with some BS that it's Danny's responsibility to make the payments, because he has remained adamant that EVERLEAF is the one blocking him from doing so. He even wrote a long winded post in the french forum pokercollectif, which when brought to everleaf's attention, he went back to delete.

Since you are able to post on here with confidence that you know exactly what everleaf's cashier problems were, surely you know what danny's problem has been with the rake race.

Please don't lie.

Thanks.
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Old 11-06-2009, 12:29 PM   #23
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And I don't get how people who have been here for 2+ years don't get this.
Maybe there sick of the 3% suck outs that happen on FT 99.9% of the time and playin on stars software is like playin atari. ive made way more money playin pacific an microgaming vs stars an ft. You just have to cashout all the time and keep what u can afford to lose on the site, cause anyday you can wake up an pooooof gone. so once you learn that i dont no why anyone would play at FT or stars.

PS nice troll post bobo did you infraction yourself?
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Old 11-06-2009, 12:30 PM   #24
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Re: What is happening with Everleaf? Are we going on another scandal?

lol, bigthangz, you didn't understand bobo's post.
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Old 11-06-2009, 07:15 PM   #25
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Maybe there sick of the 3% suck outs that happen on FT 99.9% of the time and playin on stars software is like playin atari. ive made way more money playin pacific an microgaming vs stars an ft. You just have to cashout all the time and keep what u can afford to lose on the site, cause anyday you can wake up an pooooof gone. so once you learn that i dont no why anyone would play at FT or stars.

PS nice troll post bobo did you infraction yourself?
You might want to try rereading my post and the one I replied to, because you've managed to take exactly the opposite of what I was saying out of it. If you'd paid attention to any of my posts about the subject of where I recommend playing, which I wouldn't expect a troll like you to do, you'd already know that I play on lots of different sites and always recommend the softer sites.

Oh, and you may want to do a little work on understanding what a troll post is. Maybe then you would avoid infractions yourself.
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Old 11-06-2009, 08:55 PM   #26
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Re: What is happening with Everleaf? Are we going on another scandal?

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It's very difficult to get to the point where you have 200 players, especially on 2 networks not sharing their liquidity. However, it's not difficult to be profitable once you get there. Mind you, we are not talking PokerStars-profitable here. Although it’s not very complicated, I can't really explain here how to do it. If you have a network or a cardroom with 200 players and you're not profitable – let me know and we might be able to help you streamline your operations as well
While you are there and as you didnt answer some of my questions, here is some new questions and some "old" question unanswered:

1- How can a network could wait SEVEN MONTHS until someone give an "official answer" ? This is almost unreal. I also run a website (Poker community offering rakeback), and if I do have a problem with players payment and my player are affected byt this problem for more than 24h, I do write to them personally and explain the situation. I understand they may have some technical issue or stuff, but having a clueless CS representant on livechat saying over and over the "well, i understand your frustration, it's a technical problem, dunno when the payment will be sent" or giving away wrong deadline is more frustrating than anything!

I understand my cashout may be stuck somewhere in cyberspace, but... I'm waiting for 5 weeks now. Some players on my forum are waiting since as long as me, if not longer!

2- Why can't I have an answer about what is going on except on this forum?? I mean... How hard is it to answer some question of some frustrated players? How hard is it to copy-paste an email to some players affected by those delay? How hard is it to make a memo on a website? Don't you think it is dishonest to let people deposit in a second on website and make them wait 1+ month for a cashout? You know there is something bank give to their customer when they have money in their account called "interest", and having some money stuck in the cyberspace do no pay any rent, neither do earn some interest.

3- Why some skins still have unpaid promotion (TempleDuPoker issue; see the link in my first post)?

4- Do you think a skin should be allowed to have a personnal investisment in their players outcome? Dont you see an ethic problem there?

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If you have a network or a cardroom with 200 players and you're not profitable – let me know and we might be able to help you streamline your operations as well
Thx for your interest making network with 200+ players profitable. On my part, if you have a website and you are not able to do some simple customer service, let me know and I might be able to help you discover some obvious "must-do".
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Old 11-07-2009, 07:50 AM   #27
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Re: What is happening with Everleaf? Are we going on another scandal?

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Old 11-07-2009, 02:23 PM   #28
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2- Why can't I have an answer about what is going on except on this forum?? I mean... How hard is it to answer some question of some frustrated players? How hard is it to copy-paste an email to some players affected by those delay? How hard is it to make a memo on a website? Don't you think it is dishonest to let people deposit in a second on website and make them wait 1+ month for a cashout? You know there is something bank give to their customer when they have money in their account called "interest", and having some money stuck in the cyberspace do no pay any rent, neither do earn some interest.

3- Why some skins still have unpaid promotion (TempleDuPoker issue; see the link in my first post)?

4- Do you think a skin should be allowed to have a personnal investisment in their players outcome? Dont you see an ethic problem there?


I was the one who originally posted this, after PMing george about it. After an unsatisfactory response from him I posted the issue (link in OP) and left everleaf for good.

I know about 100% RB an such for prop players.....but for a pokersite to stake, and take a percentage of a players winnings, is unheard of and shady imo.

EDIT- I have two AIM screenames of confirmed minted poker staked players and the email address they both gave me of the person who arranged these deals fwiw.

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Old 11-07-2009, 05:39 PM   #29
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can you please tell us the reason Danny Gilbert is totally shafting his templedupoker players?
Don't come back with some BS that it's Danny's responsibility to make the payments, because he has remained adamant that EVERLEAF is the one blocking him from doing so.
Since you are able to post on here with confidence that you know exactly what everleaf's cashier problems were, surely you know what danny's problem has been with the rake race.
Payments are responsibility of Everleaf. To answer the Rake Race question with confidence I will need to speak with Danny and other managers. Watch this place after the weekend.
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Old 11-07-2009, 05:44 PM   #30
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Payments are responsibility of Everleaf. To answer the Rake Race question with confidence I will need to speak with Danny and other managers. Watch this place after the weekend.
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