1) Because I used to giggle a lot when I played, just kind of a nervous thing I did.

2) Yeah but they didn't pay me.

3) Haven't played there since 2004.

Do you think there are a lot players out there close to your ability that just don't get as lucky when it matters, that could actually be you if tables were reversed? (Such as winning coin flips on the bubble)? Or do you outplay everyone?

Please don't take that the wrong way as I don't believe in luck and you have obviously earned every dollar you have.

Yea, Tonight I found a reg who used to play with you back in the day, said you had a great disposition, were always fun to play with, and unlike many great players, never became arrogant.

I did read the first few pages and the guy who asked who you are made me laugh. I've been playing at CAZ for 5 years and hearing stories about you almost the entire time. You are a CAZ legend.

who was it? pm me if you don't want to name them here.

How do guys play at casinos when Thunder Keller has ever chip in AZ in the trunk of his car?

Hah, call that story an urban legend.

EDIT: He did win a ton of $ though in the bigger limit holdem games. He was way ahead of the curve in that game. However he didn't have all the black chips b/c I had a lot of them too.

Hey Jorj, I'm up to page 9 of your thread, so sorry if you've answered any of these already. I wanted to finish the whole thing before asking anything, but I'm just to anxious to find some of these things out. =)

1. Is it possible to be breakeven or better at hyper turbos by being 100% NON-player-dependant? (IE everything is based on odds. No plays are affected by who villian is.)

2. I just started off with hyper turbos. I'm losing quite a lot, but I have literally no sample size. What I want to know is, how long of a losing streak before I can be sure that it's more than just bad luck, and that I'm a bad player?

3. Earlier in the thread you talked about being friendly with the other players. How in the world are you chatting while playing 20+ tables? Aren't other tables popping up to the top of your stack?

4. As a begginner, is it a bad idea for me to stack tables? I won't be able to see any consistent -EV plays that I'm making if my tables are stacked, so it will be harder to make neccessary adjustments in my game. Would it be better for me to tile tables until I have a better feel for ranges?

5. I'm wondering... do you use a hand chart? Or do you just have an extraordinary memory of what ranges are +EV for each spot? Certainy you aren't crunching numbers during the middle of the game... are you??

6. Have you ever thought about using the sitngo-sensei for table ninja? Seems like it would save you a lot of trouble from having to constantly register for new sng's.

7. When you take a table out of the stack to find out what your opponent was shoving, how do you deal with putting the damn thing back into the stack while all the other tables are running? Hotkeys? Or is it just a hassel every time?


I think it's great that you've kept up with this thread for so long. I'm sure everyone appreciates it. I look forward to reading the rest of this thread throughout the week! =)

EDIT: Guess I should mention the games I'm playing are the $88 hypers.

1) Probably not at the higher limits. And honestly I don't really know how everything can be "based on the odds" if you don't know your opponents' ranges.

2) Really long, I've had streaks of 10k games where I lost. Most sng players have no clue how bad or good they can run over a 10k game sample. I have streaks of 10k games where I run at 5% and other streaks of 10 games where I run at -2%.

3) I don't know I'm just used to doing it I guess.

4) I don't really know how you're going to notice -EV plays whether you're stacking or tiling or cascading or whatever. I mean so you shove some hand that you think is marginal, and you get called, how do you even know it was -EV just because of what he called with? You have to understand how to calculate the EV of something before you can evaluate it. This is all stuff that I do between sessions though. When I'm playing the hypers I'm pretty much on autopilot.

5) I used a hand chart at one point but I don't anymore. I pretty much memorized all the ones I made.

6) I tried using it but was more of a hassle than it was worth, because I play too many different buyin amounts. I think it'd be a really nice program if I was playing only one buyin amount at a time.

7) I have a custom layout in the stars menu that I just reactivate to put them back in the stack.

Good luck!

use a 'set aside table' hotkey for the original position and use that hotkey everytime you want to bring it back into the stack.

Hi George,

Was just curious about a few things (sorry if you have answered before):

1. Setting aside high end VIP rewards and rakeback, do you think similar ROIS are attainable at FTP STs and Stars Hyper Turbos? I was surprised you didn't play at FTP but then I realize you must get sick effective rakeback at Stars.

2. How much skill difference solely relating to super turbos do you think there is between a player at your skill level and a player at mine (say 5% roi in 10-80 dollar 1 tables at FTP). I guess what I am curious about is does the difference in skill or earnings come from a. volume, b. less icm mistakes when playing (assuming a very solid understanding of ICM) or c. greater ability to recognize situations that deviate solely from ICM analysis.

1) I'm not familiar with the ftp ones so I don't really know.

2) All of the above, but in order of importance I'd probably say c a b.

hey jorj. have some questions, hope it doesnt look agressive.

ive been reading ur blog and it seems that you didint had a good start at wsop.
you also said that ur best result in mtts was the score in the supernova 1mega.
did you ever tough about getting a coach in mtts? do you think ur grind at hypers is somehow affecting other aspects of ur game?

No, he thinks his sample size in live MTTs is tiny compared to online, and he has just been unlucky to date. Unless he is giggling whenever he has a good hand, I see no reason to dispute this

That's kinda what I mean. I'm assuming any hand chart that you would create would not be player dependant at all ("based on the odds"). For example, I would calculate what my minimum shoving range should be with 5 players left to act, and apply that information accordingly to my hand chart.

I'm wondering if I could be a winning player at the $88 level by playing according to what my hand chart tells me to do (assuming that my hand chart is optimal). I would obviously make adjustments based on the bubble and stack sizes, but nothing player dependent.

I'm aware that you probably have different ranges against a tight player than you do against an aggressive player, but what if I didn't? What if I played like everyone else was a robot, and just stuck to my optimal hand chart?

Btw, I'm aware creating this "optimal chart" would take years to make, but this is just theory talk.



If I have a specific spot where I'm shoving way too light and consistently losing there, I'm guessing I would notice that spot if I had my tables tiled... How am I supposed to learn from my mistakes if I don't see what spots I'm losing money from? I'm gonna have to find out from someone how to calculate EV of individual spots before I evaluate it, like you said.

Ya I'm pretty sure I just run really bad at the WSOP for whatever reason. I played at the casino for many years and won a lot of $ so it's not like I'm one of these internet kids that has no clue how to read people in live games.

Obviously it's possible that I'm just in denial and am really bad at live mtts, but I really doubt it.

I'm sure you could do ok (maybe breakeven or lose a little?) if you just had a bunch of charts for every spot, but why would you want to do that? The time it takes to make those charts would be way better spent figuring out your regular opponents' ranges and figuring out the proper counter-strategy to that.

Also it's impossible to have an "optimal chart" for a game with more than 1 opponent.

George I've read multiple times on your thread that you consider a 200 buy-in bankroll to be sufficient for the $88 hyperturbos if you have at least a clue of what your doing
Well I can't think of a more decent or a bigger grinder of hyper turbos than you, but yet i recently read that you've had -2% ROI in a sample of 10k games.
Hell!!!! That would be almost an entire bankroll.
So my question is, that for all mortals out there do you really consider 200 buy-ins enough? Or would it be safe to say that 400 is more according, due to the high variance of the hypers?
Good luck on the WSOP, hope you crush them!!!!!

I'm not very useful for guessing bankroll requirements for these as I don't really even think about it. But yeah it's possible that 200 isn't enough.

Could you elaborate on the story regarding the bookies who didn't pay you? What type of bet, at what odds, how much money? And why you didn't get paid?

I had a lot of local bookies not pay me at some point, probably every one I ever used didn't pay me at some point when I won too much. There's not much story to it really, they just cut me off and don't pay what they owe. They were different bets with each bookie, I don't really remember what the bets were much less the odds on each one. Total amount owed is easily in the 6 figures but obv I never expect to see any of it.

I actually have seen 3 of them at the WSOP this year but I just avoid them as it's pointless to even ask for it.

Can a person use their intuition in online poker?

this made me laugh

George, Whats in the future for poker?
Is it worth aspiring to play professionally if you play micros or is it just too hard to make it?

Depends how good you are and how hard you're willing to work to get better.

What's the chance of you getting PS to add antes to the NL KCL tables, and you playing in them to help promote them on top of that?