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Originally Posted by DCJ311
George,
Some hypothetical questions regarding hyper SNGs vs turbo SNGS.
1) Do you think that it's logical to have $525+30 turbos when a $525 hyper would only take a $10.50 rake?
2) If Stars offered a $525+10.50 hyper alongside the $525+30 turbo, which do you think would get more action in the long run? Would your answer change if we were given 1000 or even 1500 chips instead of 500 in the hypers? Would you prefer 500 chips or 1000-1500 (or a different number) if given a choice? Also, what do you think the popularity of a $105+9 turbo would be vs. a $105+$2.10 hyper?
3). It is my opinion that the hypers require nearly as much skill as the turbos, and maybe more in some cases, but the rake in the high stakes turbos is close to impossible to overcome these days, even with SNE. The reason I think stars isn't offering hyper SNGs is because the hyper sats pay out in W$ or T$ instead of cash, which can be costly for them because of the payout fees they have to incur, while the W/T$ are of very little cost to them. Your thoughts?
1) I think the rake is too high in both of them to be honest. The hypers are weird because the rake is 2% no matter what the buyin is. I don't know of any other form of poker where the rake percentage is constant across all buyins. It should be obvious why this is bad and probably unsustainable for the site. I think 2% rake at the lower buyin hypers is about right but it should probably get closer to 1% in the higher ones. Otherwise there will eventually be no winners (kind of like what is happening in regular turbo sngs).
2) Almost surely the hyper would get way more action in that scenario. For most sng regs the first 15-20 minutes of a sng are basically a waste of time anyway and then after that it pretty much plays like a hyper. So I think a lot of regs would be interested in essentially skipping the "deepstacked" part of a sng since obviously most of their profit comes from the later stages.
I don't have any preference as to the number of chips given. I'm willing to adjust to whatever structure is offered. I actually quite like the structures now but it could be that I'm just used to them.
105 hyper would run way way more often than a 105 turbo. Like probably 5x more at least.
The problem from Stars' end though is that it's kind of bad for them if hyper sngs went off way more often than the regular sngs. Then ppl who "want to play poker" in a sng wouldn't even really have that option anymore. I think it would reflect badly on their site in an overall sense if they had tons of "goofy gambling games" running all the time.
3) Yes I agree that the rake is too high in sngs (see my comments regarding your first question).
I don't really understand what you're trying to say regarding W$/T$. To me they are essentially the same thing since after you are done you can exchange W$/T$ for cash anyway. Perhaps you could clarify what you are trying to say because I feel like I'm misinterpreting something.