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Old 01-03-2009, 12:26 PM   #151
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Going to the Cardinals first home playoff game ever in Arizona today, so I won't be around again until tonight.
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Old 01-04-2009, 11:29 AM   #152
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I usually play about 20 tables at a time, although this varies anywhere from about 14-26 during a normal session, depending on which games are going and how I'm feeling.
How many tables do you play an hour doing this?

I start the full ring tubo's 25-30 tables and play in sets
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Old 01-04-2009, 01:38 PM   #154
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Hi Jorj,

1) I noticed that the other players' calling ranges are dramatically wider in hyper-turbo satellites than in normal turbos, even after considering the lower M ratio. I've found that it significantly reduces the EV from stealing since there's almost no fold equity. Have you noticed this also? How does this affect your pushing range?

2) It's mathematically +EV to open push from the SB with an M <10. Everyone seems to know that nowadays, though, so you see a lot of open pushes from SB, and a very wide range of calls from BB in that situation (sometimes ATC). What is your pushing range with 10M from SB, and what's your calling range from a 10M SB push?

3) Who is your primary target for stealing in late-game satellites? I've found that both big and small stacks have either a super tight calling range, or a super wide calling range, whereas medium stacks almost always have a super tight calling range, so stealing from medium stacks is optimal. Additionally, players who JUST won a big hand are dramatically less likely to call than those who just lost a big hand. What's your experience with this?

4) Do you take notes on players? If so what do they generally say? Do you use pokertracker at all?

5) At what stakes SnGs would a player be winning if he just followed ICM exclusively?

6) What's your opinion on 3x-turbo satellites? How does the fact that the add-on is TEN TIMES as many chips as a rebuy affect your strategy?
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Old 01-04-2009, 05:19 PM   #155
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How many tables do you play an hour doing this?

I start the full ring tubo's 25-30 tables and play in sets
I would guess between 30 and 40. Obviously it depends on how quickly I bust.
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Old 01-04-2009, 05:20 PM   #156
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That was so fun! It's pretty rare to be able to root for the Cardinals in a meaningful game.
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Old 01-04-2009, 05:38 PM   #157
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Hi Jorj,

1) I noticed that the other players' calling ranges are dramatically wider in hyper-turbo satellites than in normal turbos, even after considering the lower M ratio. I've found that it significantly reduces the EV from stealing since there's almost no fold equity. Have you noticed this also? How does this affect your pushing range?

2) It's mathematically +EV to open push from the SB with an M <10. Everyone seems to know that nowadays, though, so you see a lot of open pushes from SB, and a very wide range of calls from BB in that situation (sometimes ATC). What is your pushing range with 10M from SB, and what's your calling range from a 10M SB push?

3) Who is your primary target for stealing in late-game satellites? I've found that both big and small stacks have either a super tight calling range, or a super wide calling range, whereas medium stacks almost always have a super tight calling range, so stealing from medium stacks is optimal. Additionally, players who JUST won a big hand are dramatically less likely to call than those who just lost a big hand. What's your experience with this?

4) Do you take notes on players? If so what do they generally say? Do you use pokertracker at all?

5) At what stakes SnGs would a player be winning if he just followed ICM exclusively?

6) What's your opinion on 3x-turbo satellites? How does the fact that the add-on is TEN TIMES as many chips as a rebuy affect your strategy?
1) I think it depends on who the player is, but in general in the hyperturbos almost everyone calls way way way too loose. Loose calls can be fine sometimes in sngs but are rarely correct in the hyperturbo format.

2) It depends on a lot of things like how many people are left and who is in the big blind and what the payout structure is. There are definitely times I'd be pushing any 2 and other times when I would be pushing a lot tighter than that.

Same with calling range. The question is just way too vague to have a realistic answer.

3) I think what you say is pretty accurate although obviously it's player-dependent.

4) I take quite a bit of notes. Mostly it's when I see people do something really unusual, like some people when they make certain plays will have a big pair 100% of the time. I use pokertracker too but I rarely use it for anything other than keeping track of my wins and losses.

5) What does it mean exactly to "follow ICM exclusively"? You can only shove or fold, even at level 1? Using this strategy you could probably beat anything up to maybe around the 60s I would guess, but obviously this isn't a very good strategy.

6) The 3x turbos are like crack imo. I can't get enough of them. They are really fun to play but obviously very streaky. The addon is key only in that it's pretty terrible to play them if you don't plan on adding on. Being that usually only like 20-25% of the field makes it to the addon makes them quite profitable, as there's quite a bit of dead money. You have to be ready to rebuy as many as 30 times though, and being in 20 rebuys is pretty normal.
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Oh and I'm in Bahamas now but I'll try to answer questions once a day if there are any more.
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Oh and I'm in Bahamas now but I'll try to answer questions once a day if there are any more.
how bout a daily profit/loss on the cash games there, and a daily chip count for the event. just quickies, not a trip report.

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At various stakes, how often are you at a table in which every player makes their living from STTs? Do you make any attempt to avoid playing in games with no fish, or is it just too hard to bother playing a billion tables?
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1) Hypothetical question. Stars stops offering sngs tomorrow. Whats do you do? Still going for SNE playing other games?

2) Any a-ha moments during your sng career or poker career in general?

Good luck in the Bahamas. TID!
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how bout a daily profit/loss on the cash games there, and a daily chip count for the event. just quickies, not a trip report.

GL!!!!
I won't be playing any cash games (there's better things to do in Bahamas), just playing the main event, but I'll post an update today when I bust or I'll update with my progress if I'm still in.
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At various stakes, how often are you at a table in which every player makes their living from STTs? Do you make any attempt to avoid playing in games with no fish, or is it just too hard to bother playing a billion tables?
In theory I probably should be more game selective, but I'm slightly lazy about it. Most of the time I try to be one of the first to register and then just hope that other people game-select after I'm already registered. Sometimes this isn't the case and obviously there are games sometimes where there are 9 regulars.
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Old 01-05-2009, 07:26 AM   #165
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1) Hypothetical question. Stars stops offering sngs tomorrow. Whats do you do? Still going for SNE playing other games?

2) Any a-ha moments during your sng career or poker career in general?

Good luck in the Bahamas. TID!
1) I don't know really, I'd probably try to learn to be decent at cash games as quickly as I could and go from there. Maybe I'd play more mtts too. Or maybe I'd just find another site where sngs are profitable. It's really hard to say.

2) Most of the a-ha moments probably came at the beginning of my career. You can improve your game a lot quicker when you first start playing than whey you've played for 10 years, just because there's so much more to learn at that point. Once you've played a while you may learn something new but it's pretty unlikely to improve your game all that much by itself.

i'm trying to think of some moments from my early days of playing but I'm drawing a blank. Maybe I'm getting old. I mean things like trying to think about what your opponents' hands are instead of just your own hand are important steps in your poker development.
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