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Old 03-13-2017, 08:29 PM   #2351
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Re: *** Unofficial Equity Poker Network Thread ***

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I'll tell you why.

They are harvesting information on the victims, so they can then sell it or use it for their own poker site.

It's going to be one of those "We will give you your lost balance in the form of a bonus, and you need to clear it by raking X amount of dollars", with X being something outrageously high.

The new owners of fullfliushpoker.com are far too interested in the saga of the old owners.

Do not give any info to them.
That doesn't make sense. They could just run ads everywhere seeking those people and making some sort of offer for free. They would likely have the exact same success rate doing it that way as they would buying a dirty shell. If they DID buy it, then they would be potentially liable for any incoming lawsuits.

Only an idiot would purchase the dirty shell.
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Old 03-14-2017, 12:34 AM   #2352
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I know it is the policy of 2+2 to allow the revelation of personal information (at least the full name) of known scammers.

I think at this point it is very clear Kahn was a willing accomplice to the Full Flush scam.

Please give me permission to post his real name and relevant contact info, so the victims of the Full Flush scam can take legal action against the only Full Flush associate remaining in the US.

Thank you for your consideration.
Several people itt know his identity, and are aware that it's very likely he had ties with the company's management. I could be wrong on this, but I don't think there's a whole lot of definitive evidence that he was involved in any wrongdoing.

There's a whole thread about it over at Poker Fraud Alert.
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Old 03-14-2017, 01:51 AM   #2353
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A group of concerned affiliates and poker sites have come together in an attempt to help victims of the Equity Poker Network and Full Flush Poker business failure. Our goal is to provide a means by which players might recover their lost balances.
Who are the affiliates?

Who are the poker sites?

Do you now own the software?
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Old 03-14-2017, 08:01 PM   #2354
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Who are the affiliates?

Who are the poker sites?

Do you now own the software?
It looks like it's actually just Kahn/ProfessionalRakeback. He's trying to help the people who signed up to FF thru his website.
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Old 03-15-2017, 07:13 AM   #2355
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It looks like it's actually just Kahn/ProfessionalRakeback. He's trying to help the people who signed up to FF thru his website.

By giving them their money back that he'll make as an affiliate.

after that he gets to make money off of these people.



shady stuff
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Old 03-15-2017, 08:56 AM   #2356
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Sorry, but this is a bunch of nonsense.

Kahn was warned by countless people, both on 2+2 and outside of 2+2, that Full Flush was not paying people.

Kahn is not some clueless online poker newbie. He has been playing poker across multiple sites and networks for over a decade, and by his own admission, has been cheated before by shady poker sites.

He knew all the signs. He knew where Full Flush was headed.

He continued promoting them on his affiliate site, for MANY MANY MONTHS after it was clear they were not paying people.

Kahn also had glowing, positive reviews for Full Flush during the many months of non-payment. He was begged to modify his reviews in order to reflect what was truly going on there, and refused.

Kahn was happy to lead new lambs to the slaughter. If he didn't secretly own a percentage of Full Flush, he was definitely intentionally leading new victims to deposit there for his own selfish reasons.

Kahn's offer to buy Full Flush money at 30 cents on the dollar was also quite suspect. Anyone who knows Kahn will tell you that he's a hustler and will never knowingly take the short end of the stick. He didn't buy these funds on faith in the company. He likely bought them either to profit (maybe he was paid more than 30c on the dollar) or as a go-between for Full Flush in order to cash out people for less (maybe they were reimbursing him, thus allowing themselves plausible deniability regarding cashing out people for less).

Kahn is not doing you any favors by offering you rake races or any other promotions on his site. He's basically making you rake more in order to get your money back, which helps HIM, and in fact may allow him to get paid extra (due to the higher amount of gross rake) in order to cover what he's giving you back.

Even if you want to say Kahn is somehow reimbursing you, he's only doing it in order to keep a good customer who has earned him big bucks over the years.

Do you think Kahn is reimbursing anyone who deposited using his link, didn't rake much, and lost their money due to Full Flush being a scam?

There is no way Kahn can be anything other than a scumbag for keeping that Full Flush link up (and its associated glowing review) after the site wasn't paying people.

He can't plead ignorance.

He can't plead that he had faith in them (he's been around far too long to know what was up).

He can't explain why he had a review up which completely covered up Full Flush's insolvency and portrayed them as safe.

Kahn is a scumbag.
All I can say is that he did do me a favor by setting up the rake race which gives me the opportunity to recover FFP funds.

I was a client of Khan's playing on a different site. He offered a rake race to me with no further stipulations to recover my FFP balance. I had been playing on this other site since Aug of 2015 anyway as I had concerns about FFP and had a large balance.

I understand that as an affiliate Khan gets a % of my rake from the site. This had been happening since Aug 15 anyway. Since Nov 16' he has been paying me $x/mo for hitting different rake numbers. I have not changed sites or signed up for anything new. I have just continued to play on the same site that I have played for the last year and a half but now with rakeback. Can you see how this is purely a benefit for me and how it can be seen as a good faith effort by Khan? If he didn't offer this to me I would have been playing anyway and he would be collecting 100% of his affiliate cut instead of 100%-x.

RE: twisty/Mevyn

If this is the same sort of deal as I have(I DK; do your own research), then yeah the affiliates will probably make money from you, but you will make money from them too. I don't see how this isn't win-win. If you still are gonna play online poker, why not recover your FFP money via rakeback?

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Old 03-16-2017, 01:27 AM   #2357
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Madmansam, i hear you sir.

maybe we're all just biased towards Kahn
But i try to see things cut and dry and it seems to me Kahn was in the inner Full Flush circle and knew everything.
He also knows a lot more than he will tell us.


They say the 'Cover Up' is worse than the crime.
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Old 03-19-2017, 09:07 PM   #2358
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Kahn is the new owner of fullflushpoker.com

In the final paragraph on the front page, he snuck a hidden link on the words "poker sites"

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A group of concerned affiliates and online poker sites ...
And that link goes to his professionalrakeback site.

This piece of trash is still trying to profit from other people's victimhood.
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Old 03-22-2017, 08:33 AM   #2359
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Old 03-27-2017, 02:49 AM   #2360
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Re: *** Unofficial Equity Poker Network Thread ***

can we confirm Bizingo's AKA ?
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Old 03-27-2017, 01:57 PM   #2361
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can we confirm Bizingo's AKA ?
Yes it is confirmed that Bizingo is Tai Lopez playing from his mansion using his 3 steps while driving his Lamborghini and reading 1 book per session.
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Old 03-30-2017, 06:11 AM   #2362
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Silence from kahn is defeaning.

Come on kahn, let's hear all you know about the Full Flush owners who supposedly screwed you over so badly...

Also time to admit that you are the new owner of fullflushpoker.com
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Old 04-02-2017, 06:27 PM   #2363
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Re: *** Unofficial Equity Poker Network Thread ***

He responded to me on Twitter regarding this:

https://twitter.com/ProfRBcom/status/843949207199408128
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Old 04-16-2017, 04:11 AM   #2364
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Has anyone submitted a claim through that link?
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Old 04-16-2017, 06:08 PM   #2365
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I did and heard nothing back so far
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Old 04-24-2017, 11:25 PM   #2366
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All I can say is that he did do me a favor by setting up the rake race which gives me the opportunity to recover FFP funds.

I was a client of Khan's playing on a different site. He offered a rake race to me with no further stipulations to recover my FFP balance. I had been playing on this other site since Aug of 2015 anyway as I had concerns about FFP and had a large balance.

I understand that as an affiliate Khan gets a % of my rake from the site. This had been happening since Aug 15 anyway. Since Nov 16' he has been paying me $x/mo for hitting different rake numbers. I have not changed sites or signed up for anything new. I have just continued to play on the same site that I have played for the last year and a half but now with rakeback. Can you see how this is purely a benefit for me and how it can be seen as a good faith effort by Khan? If he didn't offer this to me I would have been playing anyway and he would be collecting 100% of his affiliate cut instead of 100%-x.

RE: twisty/Mevyn

If this is the same sort of deal as I have(I DK; do your own research), then yeah the affiliates will probably make money from you, but you will make money from them too. I don't see how this isn't win-win. If you still are gonna play online poker, why not recover your FFP money via rakeback?

Hello, I m a professional NLH player since 5 years; I was a victim of Full Flush fiasco too, but fortunately Khan contacted me and he offered a bonus on an other room where I was already playing on.
He gave me this chance and in 1 month I recovered my $ losts on Full Flush, was not a big ammount but now I have my 500$ back and saved again.

I never expected something like that from an affiliate so I ve appreciated a lot what he did for me.

I m really happy for this.
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Old 04-28-2017, 09:24 PM   #2367
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Am I ignorant or missing something here? You can get affiliated-sponsored rakeback at any number of sites, right? So why does this count as getting-back-your-fullflush-money rakeback?

Let's say Bill Gates had a Full Flush account, and lost 1K. Then I bought a 1K IBM laptop. Could I say, "I'm just buying a computer you were going to make and sell anyway, so we'll just call this purchase getting your Full Flush money back."
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Old 04-29-2017, 12:27 AM   #2368
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Am I ignorant or missing something here? You can get affiliated-sponsored rakeback at any number of sites, right? So why does this count as getting-back-your-fullflush-money rakeback?

Let's say Bill Gates had a Full Flush account, and lost 1K. Then I bought a 1K IBM laptop. Could I say, "I'm just buying a computer you were going to make and sell anyway, so we'll just call this purchase getting your Full Flush money back."
Seemed obvious to me that it's either rakeback at a site where you can't get it, or rakeback at a higher rate than you'd normally get. Otherwise, yeah, that's not getting your money back.
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Old 04-29-2017, 12:40 AM   #2369
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Am I ignorant or missing something here? You can get affiliated-sponsored rakeback at any number of sites, right? So why does this count as getting-back-your-fullflush-money rakeback?

Let's say Bill Gates had a Full Flush account, and lost 1K. Then I bought a 1K IBM laptop. Could I say, "I'm just buying a computer you were going to make and sell anyway, so we'll just call this purchase getting your Full Flush money back."
Read the bold in the quoted post directly above your post.

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Seemed obvious to me that it's either rakeback at a site where you can't get it, or rakeback at a higher rate than you'd normally get. Otherwise, yeah, that's not getting your money back.
Exactly.
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Old 04-29-2017, 08:23 PM   #2370
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So full flush was bought out? I am confused. It has new owners or its bankrupt?
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Old 04-30-2017, 09:03 AM   #2371
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So full flush was bought out? I am confused. It has new owners or its bankrupt?
Neither of your either / or choices is correct to my knowledge. AFAIK the companies that comprised Full Flush Poker and the Equity Poker Network still exist. Also, AFAIK none of those companies have declared bankruptcy.

The odds of any of those companies having any money in them worth going after is slim and none. The URL Full Flush Poker used was sold at auction.

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Old 05-02-2017, 09:08 PM   #2372
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Ya know guys, i loved and wanted FF to succeed, i really did.

Clearly the whole thing's over. the owners are gone. no one is getting any money from them.

peace and love

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Old 05-04-2017, 11:18 AM   #2373
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Something is too bad for our players
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Old 05-04-2017, 07:23 PM   #2374
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Neither of your either / or choices is correct to my knowledge. AFAIK the companies that comprised Full Flush Poker and the Equity Poker Network still exist. Also, AFAIK none of those companies have declared bankruptcy.

The odds of any of those companies having any money in them worth going after is slim and none. The URL Full Flush Poker used was sold at auction.

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There is no reason to file for bankruptcy. They are not trying to re-organize nor is there a penny left to pay out creditors. You file bankruptcy to legally close out a business. All the financial records are shown to the court and then the court divides it up among the creditors.

There is a better chance that Santa Claus delivers the Hanukkah presents next Ramadan than a penny being disbursed to players on FF.
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Old 05-05-2017, 03:06 PM   #2375
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There is no reason to file for bankruptcy. They are not trying to re-organize nor is there a penny left to pay out creditors. You file bankruptcy to legally close out a business. All the financial records are shown to the court and then the court divides it up among the creditors.

There is a better chance that Santa Claus delivers the Hanukkah presents next Ramadan than a penny being disbursed to players on FF.
I agree with your statements. I only mentioned bankruptcy because the poster I was responding to had asked about it. Your clarification is important though... there would be zero reason for them to file for bankruptcy if they are out of assets and simply stiffing all creditors (players, software providers, affiliates, staff, etc).

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