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12-30-2016 , 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Or you could just post it here as well as on your site.
Haven't you figured out this guy has no moral compass by now? From charging .30 on the 1.00 for trades (while receiving priority cash outs after they stopped paying players altogether) to getting unique visitors to his rb website. He's a scumbag. Plain and simple.

What does it take to be banned from here ffs?
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12-30-2016 , 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Amnesia_Haze
Haven't you figured out this guy has no moral compass by now? From charging .30 on the 1.00 for trades (while receiving priority cash outs after they stopped paying players altogether) to getting unique visitors to his rb website. He's a scumbag. Plain and simple.

What does it take to be banned from here ffs?

i hate to be on the hate wagon, but i 100% agree with this statement
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12-30-2016 , 09:58 PM
The funny thing is he posts ITT and many others like nothing happened assuming most will just look the other way and keep taking his advice recommending sites and such.

If anyone on the forums was ban worthy Kahn is up there.
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12-30-2016 , 11:38 PM
Kahn got me .30 on the dollar more then I would have got without him. Weather or not he was able to cash it out & profit on it or not it was a valuable service to me that saved me several thousand dollars. Not sure why you would want to ban someone for that.
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12-31-2016 , 02:54 AM
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Originally Posted by springs
Kahn got me .30 on the dollar more then I would have got without him. Weather or not he was able to cash it out & profit on it or not it was a valuable service to me that saved me several thousand dollars. Not sure why you would want to ban someone for that.
There probably would have been more cashouts processed if FF didn't realize they could just buyout balances this way.

Let's say 100 guys sold $3k balances for $1k and as a result FF paid out $150k to Kahn. That's $150k that might have gone to cashouts paid out in full by FF (possibly your cashout). Also, some of the players who would have been cashed out by Full Flush might have resumed playing on the site (and possibly saved it) whereas 0% of the players who sold balances for .30 to Kahn were going to resume playing. Not saying any of these scenarios are super likely, but they are a non-zero chance.

Last edited by Fossilkid93; 12-31-2016 at 03:02 AM.
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12-31-2016 , 04:40 AM
Well thing is that Khan didnt have prior cashouts. FF was looking for someone who would buy player funds for 30c on dollar, and they got him. Im not saying he didnt profit, but was agreed ammount with ff. He is still lying and wont tell all truth. Certainly that he was buying with his money is a huge lie. Unfortunatly i cannot give source, but he prolly knows that. For me he isnt truth worthy and would even enter his web site.
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12-31-2016 , 01:47 PM
Full Flush Poker funds (Players, Employees) drained by:

-Jorge Barahona
-Hugues Marion
-Victor Bigio
*Clive Archer* - I would not say he is not full of ****
-Ben Johansen (PlaySafe)

Legal FFP Holder in Costa Rica, (Tooth Data Processing):

-Leon Vargas


More to be released soon by a trustworthy source. (Photos, IDs, Phone Numbers, Addresses, Mails, PayPal Accounts)

Let's go find these thieves and make them pay in any way, and any way I mean ANY.

Over 2M stolen in balances.
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12-31-2016 , 07:40 PM
Everyone saying Kahn didn't buy with his funds or was able to cashout is just speculating that it's the case. If it was some inside job either employees were stealing in cahoots with Kahn & cashing him out while almost no one else got paid in which case good because I wasn't one of the people getting paid or ownership was so incompetent they decided to pay out .30 on the dollar to people who weren't playing there & weren't going to play there rather than keep it when there's no one the books didn't show insolvency. That obviously isn't the case. There was no chance I was getting paid without Kahn. I stopped playing because I couldn't get paid for well over 6 months before Kahn started buying balances. Nobody else was offering to buy balances (despite no way to transfer plenty of people bought FTP balances after black Friday) I would have taken .10 on the dollar site was so mismanaged.

Not claiming he's the most ethical person in the world, he kept trying to send traffic there after there was very clear problems. When I finally messaged my personal affiliate about there problems he stopped promoting it the next day. Kahn did provide a valuable service weather it was an inside job or not (see everyone who got .00 on the dollar who didn't sell).

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Originally Posted by Fossilkid93
There probably would have been more cashouts processed if FF didn't realize they could just buyout balances this way.

Not saying any of these scenarios are super likely, but they are a non-zero chance.
There is a 0% chance. If they folded buying @ .30 not like a bunch of cashouts would have got processed @ 1.00. Certainly wouldn't have been mine. I quit playing months before MeyvN showed up & claimed he won a bunch & got paid and telling everyone they were going to get paid & he's on the ban Kahn bandwagon? The notion he got paid way more suspect than what Kahn did yet no one is accusing him of being a shill. Like Kahn or not there's no reason for him to be banned & I stand by he provided a valuable service even if it was with help of people on the inside which no one actually has any proof of.
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01-01-2017 , 03:56 AM
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Originally Posted by springs
Everyone saying Kahn didn't buy with his funds or was able to cashout is just speculating that it's the case. If it was some inside job either employees were stealing in cahoots with Kahn & cashing him out while almost no one else got paid in which case good because I wasn't one of the people getting paid or ownership was so incompetent they decided to pay out .30 on the dollar to people who weren't playing there & weren't going to play there rather than keep it when there's no one the books didn't show insolvency. That obviously isn't the case. There was no chance I was getting paid without Kahn. I stopped playing because I couldn't get paid for well over 6 months before Kahn started buying balances. Nobody else was offering to buy balances (despite no way to transfer plenty of people bought FTP balances after black Friday) I would have taken .10 on the dollar site was so mismanaged.

Not claiming he's the most ethical person in the world, he kept trying to send traffic there after there was very clear problems. When I finally messaged my personal affiliate about there problems he stopped promoting it the next day. Kahn did provide a valuable service weather it was an inside job or not (see everyone who got .00 on the dollar who didn't sell).



There is a 0% chance. If they folded buying @ .30 not like a bunch of cashouts would have got processed @ 1.00. Certainly wouldn't have been mine. I quit playing months before MeyvN showed up & claimed he won a bunch & got paid and telling everyone they were going to get paid & he's on the ban Kahn bandwagon? The notion he got paid way more suspect than what Kahn did yet no one is accusing him of being a shill. Like Kahn or not there's no reason for him to be banned & I stand by he provided a valuable service even if it was with help of people on the inside which no one actually has any proof of.

Actually Sir, i know there is a huge difference between me & kahn.

i will tell u what happened to me 100% in the timeline it did.

November 2015 - started playing on FF
End of 2015 - had a 10k balance and found out FF was being very slow to pay,
early in january 2016, i won 30k off of the player Bizingo.

so i accumulated a $40,000 balance in very short order.
This was in the middle of the management change, so it seems like payouts spiked in that change.

I used my balance and activity on the site as leverage, and called a manager @ full flush named 'Roger', he was great to me, and gave me pretty exact deadlines to which i could expect payouts.

And he stuck to his word, i received a total of $7500 from FF via 1 Check & 2 wires & 2 MG's. payout times were 3-5 weeks.


I spoke out here saying that FF was going to turn it around b/c to me, it genuinely seemed like it.

From playing Bizingo @ 20/40 i got 20/40 crazy and lost the rest of my balance to a player named, whodunit. and that was a wrap for me on their, luckily i didn't truly lose all that money. but i kept up to date to see how the situation would turn out.



so thats my 2 cents, but ethically speaking, Kahn and myself do not lie anywhere near to each other


At least if i were Kahn, i would tell everyone here the 100% because the player's deserve it, but just like someone else said, kahn acts like he's just another guy.

And he's keeping the truth hidden
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01-01-2017 , 04:10 AM
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Originally Posted by MeyvN
Actually Sir, i know there is a huge difference between me & kahn.

i will tell u what happened to me 100% in the timeline it did.

November 2015 - started playing on FF
End of 2015 - had a 10k balance and found out FF was being very slow to pay,
early in january 2016, i won 30k off of the player Bizingo.

so i accumulated a $40,000 balance in very short order.
This was in the middle of the management change, so it seems like payouts spiked in that change.

I used my balance and activity on the site as leverage, and called a manager @ full flush named 'Roger', he was great to me, and gave me pretty exact deadlines to which i could expect payouts.

And he stuck to his word, i received a total of $7500 from FF via 1 Check & 2 wires & 2 MG's. payout times were 3-5 weeks.


I spoke out here saying that FF was going to turn it around b/c to me, it genuinely seemed like it.

From playing Bizingo @ 20/40 i got 20/40 crazy and lost the rest of my balance to a player named, whodunit. and that was a wrap for me on their, luckily i didn't truly lose all that money. but i kept up to date to see how the situation would turn out.



so thats my 2 cents, but ethically speaking, Kahn and myself do not lie anywhere near to each other


At least if i were Kahn, i would tell everyone here the 100% because the player's deserve it, but just like someone else said, kahn acts like he's just another guy.

And he's keeping the truth hidden
I remember your rally with Ben Affleck aka Bizingo, most of his PayPal deposits stolen by MR BIGIO and folks.

What would Ben Affleck lawyers do if find out? He was stooged with 30 k in balance too.

Note: PayPal should by now be notified bout this scammer.
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01-01-2017 , 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by springs
Kahn got me .30 on the dollar more then I would have got without him. Weather or not he was able to cash it out & profit on it or not it was a valuable service to me that saved me several thousand dollars. Not sure why you would want to ban someone for that.
khan also kept directing players to play on ff long after they stopped paying. he is pure and simply scum even if you happen to "benefit" from it.
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01-01-2017 , 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by springs
Kahn got me .30 on the dollar more then I would have got without him. Weather or not he was able to cash it out & profit on it or not it was a valuable service to me that saved me several thousand dollars. Not sure why you would want to ban someone for that.
Ok, how about the fact that he was still in this thread assuring everyone would be paid out while he was taking melanie weisner type cashouts and all the while still promoting equity on his rake back site. Also I believe Khan was encouraging people to put in volume while taking discounted cashouts saying players needed to help out the site. He said his reputation was stellar and would be redeemed as it was on merge. He said he would spit in my eye with glee when he would surely be vindicated by equity paying.

Last edited by ZeckoRiver; 01-01-2017 at 11:56 AM. Reason: didn't actually say spit in my eye but no a very big embellishment
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01-01-2017 , 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by MeyvN
I used my balance and activity on the site as leverage, and called a manager @ full flush named 'Roger',
He likely had other duties, but Roger was an affiliate manager around the time you mention. I'm not actually sure what happened to him, but he was replaced wrt being an aff manager.

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01-02-2017 , 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by springs
Kahn got me .30 on the dollar more then I would have got without him. Weather or not he was able to cash it out & profit on it or not it was a valuable service to me that saved me several thousand dollars. Not sure why you would want to ban someone for that.
Because he knowingly promotes insolvent networks and encourages the users to play there. This is not the first shady network he has gone to bat for and it won't be the last. The writing is always on the wall with these smaller networks and still he vouches for them like internet poker is all sunshine and rainbows.
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01-02-2017 , 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by ffptermination
Full Flush Poker funds (Players, Employees) drained by:

-Jorge Barahona
-Hugues Marion
-Victor Bigio
*Clive Archer* - I would not say he is not full of ****
-Ben Johansen (PlaySafe)

Legal FFP Holder in Costa Rica, (Tooth Data Processing):

-Leon Vargas


More to be released soon by a trustworthy source. (Photos, IDs, Phone Numbers, Addresses, Mails, PayPal Accounts)

Let's go find these thieves and make them pay in any way, and any way I mean ANY.

Over 2M stolen in balances.
Some of those names are linked to the defunct Action Poker network which stiffed many players and affiliates and bailed with player funds also, so the total is likely to be much higher than that if same parties are involved. That the same group could scam their players on 2 different networks over several years time is alarming to me.
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01-04-2017 , 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Lotje
Because he knowingly promotes insolvent networks and encourages the users to play there. This is not the first shady network he has gone to bat for and it won't be the last. The writing is always on the wall with these smaller networks and still he vouches for them like internet poker is all sunshine and rainbows.
Your statement has no basis in reality. How about some facts?


List of poker sites that have failed since Professional Rakeback was created:

Absolute Poker
BetOnSports
Big Bet Poker
Bugsy's Club
Choice Poker
Doyles Room
Eurolinx
Everleaf
Full Flush
Futurebet (this was over a dozen skins, Pokes Poker included)
GamesGrid
JetSet
Lock Poker
Muchos Poker
PitBull Poker
Poker Mountain
PokerShare
Pokerspot
Pokertropolis
Purple Lounge
Skillbet
Superwins
Swank Poker
Platinum Poker Club
Tusk Investments (this was 28 skins)
Ultimate Bet
Victoria Poker
Victory Poker
Wingows
Walker Poker
World Poker Exchange
YourPoker Network



List of poker sites that Professional Rakeback promoted to its clients who subsequently lost money when the site went under:


Pokes Poker (2006) (A futurebet white label)
Full Flush Poker (2016)



List of poker sites that Professional Rakeback has offered to compensate its players who lost money on and/or paid unpaid rakeback out of its own pocket (please note, that is 100%):

Pokes Poker (2006)
Full Flush Poker (2016)



Ratio of losses to potential losses over the last 13 years: 2:70



Professional Rakeback does not leave our players high and dry. We help them to recover their funds when we make a mistake. We're not perfect and sometimes we get it wrong.

If we promote one poker site per decade that fails, out of a possible 70+ failed sites, and then we help our players to recover funds they've lost via whatever methods we have available at that time, I'd say we're doing a pretty damned good job. If you disagree, so be it. But please don't make wild accusations that have no basis in fact.

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01-04-2017 , 05:20 PM
So, you'll be helping me get 13k from Full Flush then? Since you don't leave players high and dry.
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01-04-2017 , 09:32 PM
Kahn, before i say this, know that i didn't lose money with FF i actually won a bit. but hear me out.

I speaking for all the players who lost their balances on FF right now, You can be forgiven, and all can be sorted. but you need to confess everything u know, because we all know u know a hell of a lot more than you say. They say the cover up is worse than the crime.

All you have to do is tell us EVERYTHING you know about the whole situation.

Until then you are no longer welcome on this page, and i say that convincingly on everyone's behalf.
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01-04-2017 , 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by NJSpaghetti
So, you'll be helping me get 13k from Full Flush then? Since you don't leave players high and dry.
I don't know you other than you've constantly attacked me on these forums. We're already doing something with our FFP players that we're in regular communication with and we will be contacting the rest of them in the coming month in an attempt to help them as well.

I have personally lost over 6 figures to failed poker sites. I know what it is like to lose large amounts of bankroll. I have empathy for my fellow players who took a hit.

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01-04-2017 , 09:42 PM
Do we have any update on Agirlinoh or INEEDPAIDFF ? he was for sure, their biggest balance

Kahn, im not sure why u don't want to tell us what you know, but that is literally what everyone here is angry at you for
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01-05-2017 , 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by kahntrutahn
Your statement has no basis in reality. How about some facts?


List of poker sites that have failed since Professional Rakeback was created:

Absolute Poker
BetOnSports
Big Bet Poker
Bugsy's Club
Choice Poker
Doyles Room
Eurolinx
Everleaf
Full Flush
Futurebet (this was over a dozen skins, Pokes Poker included)
GamesGrid
JetSet
Lock Poker
Muchos Poker
PitBull Poker
Poker Mountain
PokerShare
Pokerspot
Pokertropolis
Purple Lounge
Skillbet
Superwins
Swank Poker
Platinum Poker Club
Tusk Investments (this was 28 skins)
Ultimate Bet
Victoria Poker
Victory Poker
Wingows
Walker Poker
World Poker Exchange
YourPoker Network



List of poker sites that Professional Rakeback promoted to its clients who subsequently lost money when the site went under:


Pokes Poker (2006) (A futurebet white label)
Full Flush Poker (2016)



List of poker sites that Professional Rakeback has offered to compensate its players who lost money on and/or paid unpaid rakeback out of its own pocket (please note, that is 100%):

Pokes Poker (2006)
Full Flush Poker (2016)



Ratio of losses to potential losses over the last 13 years: 2:70



Professional Rakeback does not leave our players high and dry. We help them to recover their funds when we make a mistake. We're not perfect and sometimes we get it wrong.

If we promote one poker site per decade that fails, out of a possible 70+ failed sites, and then we help our players to recover funds they've lost via whatever methods we have available at that time, I'd say we're doing a pretty damned good job. If you disagree, so be it. But please don't make wild accusations that have no basis in fact.

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Kahn where do you get off man. The fact that 70 other sites have failed and you only happened to have promoted 2 of them doesn't make a difference. You still promoted 2 poker sites, and continued promoting atleast one FF, when it was clearly failing and ultimately folded completely.

And now you want to act like some do gooder who "doesn't leave their players high and dry and helps them recover their funds". Really dude? Helps them "recover" their funds by offering them 30 cents on the dollar and pocketing whatever you got on the back end from FF. What a noble act, if only we could see how much you profited off of your shady dealings with FF
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01-05-2017 , 05:57 AM
Kahn: "see there were like a hundred sites that would have ripped you off but I only promoted 2 of them, so its all good right?"
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01-05-2017 , 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by kahntrutahn
I don't know you other than you've constantly attacked me on these forums. We're already doing something with our FFP players that we're in regular communication with and we will be contacting the rest of them in the coming month in an attempt to help them as well.

I have personally lost over 6 figures to failed poker sites. I know what it is like to lose large amounts of bankroll. I have empathy for my fellow players who took a hit.

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I've constantly attacked you?
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01-05-2017 , 11:49 AM
Pretty sure I got attacked for being too patient with you.
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01-05-2017 , 06:37 PM
You're still hiding the truth from everybody Kahn

surprised u still post here
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