But the analogy seems to fall down when you consider that there's no direct financial benefit to paying people to provide customer service when your site is down and you can't accept people's money, unlike the restaurant example where employees were bringing in revenue.

Either way, it's obviously not a good sign when a site that has been paying out nothing more than a trickle for months and months, goes offline. Unfortunately, there's not a lot anyone can do about it but hope for the best.

[QUOTE=Amnesia_Haze;50915143] there have been virtually NO poker sites that ran off with everyone's money and COULDNT OR WOULDNT ACCEPT DEPOSITS (as bobo said), then continued to answer phones. as stated, the analogy is pretty lethargic. i dont get why you come here with 30 posts and be a smartass about things that you obviously arent all that well versed about.

FYI, there are new posts by Full Flush on the Facebook page. One post admits they lost/gave up their license when making the platform switch. Also they claim the website is not for sale. Read more @ https://www.facebook.com/Full-Flush-...7177831334665/

[QUOTE=teach2121;50915248] Ok, analogy was ****, but my point stands: if they are in a crisis and shutting down they are not going to tell the low level employees until they are officially insolvent. Why? so their employees will keep showing up doing their job (while not having to worry about if they will be payed when the shutdown occurs)

That is what's happening right now over there. The site is dead yet support is still gonna be available until their paychecks stop coming in. The reason for this is FF is hoping for a miracle/finding investors so they can come back online to either build back their business, or be able to accept more deposits and make a final cash grab.

Support still answering emails/phone calls does not mean anything in terms of whether site is officially dead yet.

Pro top: it is.

how many employees you think they have? probably a handful at very most at this point, most of which im sure have seen the TONS of emails/live chats/online posts about the site. if you think the few employees are sitting there clueless as to whats been going on for the last year, and now, i really doubt it.

::sits back, eats popcorn and occasionally cackles::

http://calvinayre.com/2016/10/04/pok...-goes-offline/

The Curacao-licensed Full Flush was known to be having troubles processing players’ cashout requests and unconfirmed reports have suggested Full Flush affiliates are owed up to $5m in overdue payments.

Pretty big hole there. Don't know if matters but fullflush used props few years back and offered 100+ rbs to them. No wonder the site is broke.

Me too and my popcorn is very delicious. Yet I do hope all players get paid and FF pays for what they have done.

Maybe Kahn can shed some light on what's happening. He obviously had contacts there.

Are my cliffs correct about him?

- is the owner of a pretty big affiliate rb site

- promoted and was active in vehemently supporting/defending them FF/EPN when things had Already looked bleak

- during this time he was buying up balances of desperate players at the generous rate of 30cents on the dollar. He offered this **** rate despite being completely optimistic about the sites future on the forums

- starting about 2 months ago he stopped buying player balances and told people they would be placed on a wait list.

- speculation: He was likely recieving expideted cash outs due to his affiliate agreement/connections he had on the inside. He may have caught wind of their inevitable shutdown so stopped buying funds.

Sigh, it's sad that so much of the industry is shady af these days. Not even the "reputable" affiliates can be trusted.

Khan most likely milked Equity for all it had. Most likely equity out of funds even at .30 on the dollar they paid Khan. Khan to bussy spending money he made on accounts he bought at .30 on the dollar to stop by in this thread. He was pretty pompous and indignant telling everyone they would be paid when customers where up in arms a few months ago.

http://professionalrakeback.com/equi...lutions-update

a bit of information some may or may not have read up on at this point.

Not sure if there's anything to this, but I noticed that if you go to fullflushonlinepoker.com and click the link at the bottom that says "join full flush poker" it redirects you to ACR.

Those are spoofed sites. Do not go there.

The Fullflushpoker.eu domain was almost certainly leased. It forwarded to FFP.com for a few days with an affiliate link. It now forwards to a Golden Spins casino affiliate link. The registrar and hosting don't seem to have ever matched and definitely have not since last week when FFP went down.

Just curious, how long are you guys giving it before you concede? And, can you share why you feel the need to defend them? 18 months with no payouts they're basically the equivalent of Mike Matusow and Erick Lindgren at this point.

No one's defending them, and I'm not sure what your first question is about - seems like you're just trolling at this point.

Absolute theft if this is true, but honestly seems like the most likely thing that happened. Amazing that he ducks and covers from these convos with no comment. I even pmed him (was someone that traded at 30c) to ask if these accusations were true no reply. Silence seems like guilt to me.

Kahn is clearly a complete fraud anyone who has seen what happened and thinks otherwise is lying to themselves. Makes claims that everyones money is 100% safe and he is sure about it, yet is buying peoples balances at .30. He should be banned from this site. Hes a thief

FWIW, he hasn't even logged on to 2+2 in over 2 months.

18 months with no payouts? that is quite a reach.

Yes but he knows the situation, he's affiliated with them, he was very vocal, and buying player balances. Now things have gotten exponentially worse -- the site is gone -- and he has vanished. Whether he is guilty or not, he should be addressing the situation.

To be clear, I'm not passing judgement, just providing information.

Yeah he was very vocal with me about his stellar rep and how people said the same about merge and he would have the last laugh when equity made good. He was still full of piss and vinegar even after haircutting people at .30 on the dollar. All the sites that tank have all the same tell tale signs. Awesome reload bonuses , freerolls etc and then they disappear like a thief into the night. Minted poker and poker domicano come to mind.

Not my claim, just what I've been told. Which would include by members of this site.

Think you're a little quick to whip out the troll accusation. Btw, check your PM, which I wish I had seen this before sending to you.

BEFORE my post is PLENTY of people saying it is all fine. I guess "we'll see" or maybe I'll be proven right about another site for the 10th time in my 15 year career.

btw, can I add since apparently I'm the bad guy here:

I actually MISS playing in the GOOD prize pool freerolls every day even though I never even bothered to try and do a cashout after decent wins.

So in case that isn't clear, even though everyone I've talked to said the site was garbage, I actually wish I was still playing there - it was fun, which is half the battle for me.

Typed out a long response, but I can't be bothered derailing the thread - I'll PM you instead. And thanks for the reminder to check for the PM you sent 4 minutes before that post.

If you have nothing useful to add to the thread, don't bother posting any more.