The 5Dimes/EPN situation is interesting. Maybe 5Dimes truly only wanted to start Grand Poker on their own and keep WPN, but to me if your sole focus is starting a new network, you don't keep WPN support as well. Grand Poker seemed to be something that was in the works for awhile, so it's not implausible that they started Grand because they knew things were going to end with EPN months before any contract/agreement ended. It's safe to assume that 5Dimes continues to work with WPN because it is a profitable and good working relationship between the two. Something soured on one or both of the sides in the 5Dimes/EPN split, I'm curious what it was.

fair point.
i'd be a lot less concerned about us payments taking a while if row players got them fast like they should.

My fav part about FullFlush is getting windows popping up behind the tables congratulating the winner of a GTD and keeping me from acting and making me time out.

Also - I'm using the EPN converter to load my hands and HUD on HM2 - but the HUD is constantly switching around on the tables making me move them back and forth. Does anybody know how to fix this?

If you are referring to the same problem that I had, I found a band-aid solution. If I moved a player's stats on one table it would move stats on the other table to the wrong place. I solved that problem by using a different HUD for each table. I duplicated my HUDs so each table could have its own HUD. Doing that cut the association that the tables had with each other.

Full Flush is the only skin on the netwtork available to US players. The second most popular skin is a single digit percentage of network liquidity. FFP is by far the largest operator.

5D and WPN's parernt company have sportsbook ties above and beyond poker. So I'm afraid I can't agree with your analysis of the situation.

I agree wholeheartedly. I made this fact clear to them in our face to face meeting last week. They satisfied me with their answer as too why this is taking place. Now we'll see if they can improve the turn around time (they are working on a couple solutions).

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Originally Posted by kahntrutahn

Full Flush is the only skin on the netwtork available to US players. The second most popular skin is a single digit percentage of network liquidity. FFP is by far the largest operator.

Are you sure about this? Heritagesports seems to be on the EPN as well... or is that incorrect?

The MTTs make a lot of sense and I don't mind (and I doubt the network minds) if they lose a bit of money b/c they create a sense of loyalty to the network. I haven't played a single MTT, but in the cash games I see players talking all the time about them. "Hey Player x, how'd you do in 4k?", "Nice run in the 10k Player y" and stuff like that over and over. It creates a sense of camaraderie and the players making decent scores in these MTTs are going straight to cash games so it's good for the site ecosystem as well.

The thing is they are giving more and more to players bringing even more regular players (a lot of affiliates offer rakeback now on ff including Khan I believe) But the cashouts are still really bad and skrill neteller are getting worse and worse. People still remember Lock poker fiasco and they collapsed in a very similar way (eg people getting over 100%rakeback there). So people are concerned and raithfully so. I mean just look at Bol they cash you out max 36 hours to neteller and skrill (in fact always faster than that)

It is one of the reason why Bol keeps expanding. People feel confident keeping there their money. I have no problem keeping 10k+ on Bol. I am concerned when I have more than 2k on ff ...

What % rb is offered?

I'm very annoyed, I signed up like a year ago with no rb, and these days I am putting in quite decent volume on FF. I went to change some POP points into money recently and 1) you have to do it $1 at a time lol and 2) the rate is absolutely pathetic.

How do you convert POP into money? I just started there and have a few.

Found it.

It's not really relevant if they aren't taking on new clients...


Not legitimately they aren't... There is 1, perhaps 2 legitimate above board and legal sites offering RB. Anyone else offering it is breaking their contract and offering an inferior rate to the legitimate, Full Flush sanctioned provider.

POP Points convert at 5% and always have on FFP.

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Kahn

what are the Full Flush deposit options?

What are "ROW" players? I ask because I have no idea who/what they are, nor why they should be getting cash outs way before regular users

I've considered playing in BoL, but I usually play 2-3 tables (not 4 required to block) and that skin has the annoying casino screen next to every table, can't have that

despite all this talk about the network possibly being on the downfall, that's your only question?? lol

row=non us players.

they should get their cashouts right away bc they can use thing like neteller and skrill that us players cant.

I want to play on this site some more but when I see ROW Neteller taking so long...then I continue to play elsewhere..

wow dejavu lock especially with those promos

Kahn, can you offer RB to a player that is already on FF? If so, is it more than what non affiliate signup players get fron the standard POP points?

Are Bitcoin deposits being implemented?

Will FullFlush allow me a small($10-20) p2p transfer from a friend, if I request it from a site support worker?

A potential yes to either one would be quite helpful for me.

^^ Never heard of them allowing a P2P for anyone for any reason.

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Kahn

does hem2 work here?

Yes, if you use the free converter:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/16...d-epn-1433136/

Only Holdem Indicator works natively.

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Kahn

Anyone find PokerNL play bizarre?

How do you mean bizarre?

He sat me at 5/10 yesterday and I did have some suspicions but I couldn't quite put my finger on it

Is the server down?